Survey Says: Obama Wins By Millions Of Votes, Loses Anyway

Posted by Brian Fairbanks

Let's look at the rundown:

1) COLORADO: Obama 43, McCain 41, other 8, undecided 7.

2) GEORGIA: McCain 44, Obama 43, Barr 6, undecided 7. (Margin of error: +/- 5%) 

3) OHIO: Obama 47, McCain 42. 

4) PENNSYLVANIA: Obama 48, McCain 41.  

5) MICHIGAN: McCain 42, Obama 41. 

6) WISCONSIN: Obama 49, McCain 41. 

7) NEW HAMPSHIRE: McCain 45, Obama 43. 

8) VIRGINIA: Tied at 44.

9) FLORIDA: McCain 47, Obama 42.

10) MISSOURI: Tied at 43. 

Meanwhile, Politico has a scenario in which even, should these crazy numbers hold up (which they won't), McCain still takes it:

Here’s the scenario: Obama racks up huge margins among the increasingly affluent, highly educated and liberal coastal states, while a significant increase in turnout among black voters allows him to compete — but not to win — in the South. Meanwhile, McCain wins solidly Republican states such as Texas and Georgia by significantly smaller margins than Bush’s in 2004 and ekes out narrow victories in places such as North Carolina, which Bush won by 12 points but Rasmussen presently shows as a tossup, and Indiana, which Bush won by 21 points but McCain presently leads by just 11.

One possible result: Even as the national mood moves left, the 2004 map largely holds. Obama’s 32 new electoral votes from Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado and Virginia are offset by 21 new electoral votes for McCain in Michigan and New Hampshire — and despite a 2- or 3-point popular vote victory for Obama, America wakes up on Jan. 20 to a President McCain.

We at Scanner believe the Electoral College is unconstitutional (thanks to that vague old "All men are created equal" thing), but it's too late change it for 2008...

Read more at Politico

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Comments

w_t_pooh said:

Check out www.fivethirtyeight.com where the author does a crap load of calculations from poll results and takes into account the historic accuracy of the polls. Worth reading since he goes into his methodology in a serious way.

June 20, 2008 11:31 AM

Daniel J Dwyer said:

I've never understood the whole "Electoral College is unconstitutional" theory. The constitution very clearly lays down a framework for a federal democracy (key word FEDERAL). The federation of states selects the president; "the people" do not. If we directly elected the president through the popular vote, that would undermine the whole idea behind federalism. Here's a short list of other things that have to be considered unconstitutional if the electoral college is (even though that's silly):

1. The Connecticut Compromise - If it's all about direct representation, why does every state get 2 Senators?

2. Ratification of amendments to the Constitution - 75% of the states (regardless of population) must approve an amendment

3. Unelected officials - The people have no say in determining the Speaker of the House, President Pro Tempore of the Senate, Supreme Court Justices, etc.

4. The ability of states to bypass federal law on the state level - The most obvious example of this is California's medical marijuana law.

If we were to throw off the last vestiges of our once strong federal system, we'd be succumbing to what political science professors are so found of referring to as the "tyranny of the masses". Just because the electoral college bit us in the ass once (in 2000, of course) doesn't mean the whole system sucks (it did save us from Tilden in 1876, after all).

Also, under the electoral college system, everyone is equal, and every vote counts the same. You're just not voting for the president; you're voting for electors.

June 20, 2008 11:57 AM

allen schulz said:

ummm... that whole "all men are created equal" thing isn't in the constitution. That would be the declaration of independence, which was written a little over a decade before the US constitution.

The electoral college is not unconstitutional. It is enshrined in the consitution itself. So, ipso facto, it can't be unconstitutional. However, I'll concede that in today's version of American democracy, the electoral college is a monumentally bad, antiquated idea. But that doesn't make it unconstitutional.

daniel dwyer, above, is fairly wrong, too. Everyone is NOT equal under the electoral college system. Because each state gets as many electors as it has senators AND congresspeople, states with small populations have more influence on the outcome of the vote. New York state has about 19 million people. Montana has less than 1 million. New York has 31 electoral college votes. Montana has 3. So, that means, approximately, every 333,000 votes in Montana = 1 electoral college vote. By contrast, every 613,000 votes in New York = 1 electoral college vote.

What is fair about that?

June 20, 2008 12:36 PM

zeitgeisty said:

this is why we needed to nominate a democrat who was more ELECTABLE... Hope it was worth it.

June 20, 2008 10:07 PM

thinkywritey said:

If what happened in 2000 (or even 2004) happens in 2008... well, just make sure y'all have legal weapons at your disposal. It's going to get fucking UGLY.

June 23, 2008 9:50 AM

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Brian Fairbanks, the Senior National Political Correspondent for Nerve, is a filmmaker living in Brooklyn or New Orleans, depending on the season. He is a heavily-armed advocate of gun control.

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