Today in WTF: Guy Gets Off (For/On) Getting 14-Year-Old Girl Drunk, Violating Her

re: Today in WTF: Guy Gets Off (For/On) Getting 14-Year-Old Girl Drunk, Violating Her

skychom — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:26:54 GMT

Are there child pornography laws in Canada? In America it's 3rd degree sexual abuse to have sex w/ a passed out girl, and depending on the state, any girl you get with must be at least 16-18. The only exceptions that I can agree with are: Girl w/ fake I.D.

18 yr old w/ 16-17 yr old

re: Today in WTF: Guy Gets Off (For/On) Getting 14-Year-Old Girl Drunk, Violating Her

Oh geez. — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:27:50 GMT

No, of course it's not fine. I'm pretty sure everyone is already on board about about convicting sex offenders. They're rubbish. The problem is that too often a simple accusation is all that is necessary to convict someone. I'm absolutely certain there are innocent men out there who've been convicted of a crime they didn't commit because, at the time they thought it was consensual. Noone wants the innocent to suffer, but it seems, more often than it should, that it's more acceptable for innocent men to suffer than innocent women. Is it unreasonable to suggest that there needs to be evidence that a rape occurred beyond the testimony of the victim? For a court to be just, it needs to consider the testimony of the plaintiff and the defendant of equal weight. In a system where you're innocent until proven guilty, that means, unfortunately, sometimes offenders may walk free. But to do it any other way is unjust. You end up with the Salem witch hunts all over again.

re: Today in WTF: Guy Gets Off (For/On) Getting 14-Year-Old Girl Drunk, Violating Her

Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:58:01 GMT

So if an underage girl becomes intoxicated, it is perfectly fine for a man to rape her? Because she's drunk, she's asking to be raped? What a ruling judge. This society is so backwards in its treatment of women it makes me sick. STOP BLAMING THE VICTIM AND START BLAMING THE ATTACKERS.

re: Today in WTF: Guy Gets Off (For/On) Getting 14-Year-Old Girl Drunk, Violating Her

Heather — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:36:53 GMT

"Niebergall, then 19, showed photographs of the teen, naked and passed out, to co-workers the following day, bragging he had had sex with her six times."

I read this as meaning he bragged that he had sex with her while she was passed out, though now I see that it doesn't exactly say that. If that *were* the case, I would think that qualifies as non-consensual!

Isn't there a law against serving minors alcohol? He readily admits to doing that.

re: Today in WTF: Guy Gets Off (For/On) Getting 14-Year-Old Girl Drunk, Violating Her

seeker_nerve — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:47:41 GMT

The prosecution witness does not remember whether she consented or not. The defendant gets the benefit of the doubt. And that's the way you want it when you're accused of car theft.

The guy's an asshole, but guilt must be proven, not innocence.

re: Today in WTF: Guy Gets Off (For/On) Getting 14-Year-Old Girl Drunk, Violating Her

Wrongo — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:15:07 GMT

In Canada the age of sexual consent was 14 until May 1, 2008. It is now 16 so this case must have arose prior to May 1st. The decision to appeal is up to the Prosecuting Attorney and not her choice at all.

re: Today in WTF: Guy Gets Off (For/On) Getting 14-Year-Old Girl Drunk, Violating Her

Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:15:43 GMT

Are you guys seriously suggesting that a man should have to _prove_ consent, or be branded a rapist? Do you know how difficult that would be? What ever happened to the grand old English principle of innocent until proven guilty?

Sure, this guy seems like a creep, but convicting him would set a precedent for the conviction of untold numbers of innocent men. Anyone who had consensual with a girl who had had a drink or two would be vulnerable to a charge of rape, just because the girl didn't clearly remember having consented--or didn't want to accept that she had consented. And remember, we have nothing and could have nothing more than a girl's word to prove she was blacked out. We also could have no hard evidence about how intoxicated she was, since different people react so differently to the same quantity of alcohol.

We'd then have to say that consent never counts when someone has had _anything_ to drink. In that case, I've been raped at least a dozen times...I've raped my boyfriend...he and I have mutually raped each other...and you see how ridiculous it becomes. The powerful word 'rape' loses its power and its meaning if we extend it to drunken consensual sex.

re: Today in WTF: Guy Gets Off (For/On) Getting 14-Year-Old Girl Drunk, Violating Her

NDO — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:46:09 GMT

That's not funny. It reveals the sad ambiguity humans seem to be stuck with when it comes to sexual morality. Double standards are sad reminders of how screwed up our culture has gotten. This is an accusation they are dealing with, not an assumption.

re: Today in WTF: Guy Gets Off (For/On) Getting 14-Year-Old Girl Drunk, Violating Her

RemoWilliamsJr — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:53:42 GMT

Its funny. If a girl has sex with a drunk guy there's never the aassumption that she raped him.

re: Today in WTF: Guy Gets Off (For/On) Getting 14-Year-Old Girl Drunk, Violating Her

Claire — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:38:59 GMT

wow. i don't know how it works over there, but i know in Australia, in theory at least, consent is not considered legitimate if a person is intoxicated or under duress. a person can still charge someone with rape, even if they said yes, if consent was given while they were drunk, high, or didn't feel safe enough to say no.

plus if she's 14 isn't that statutory rape anyway? that judge needs to be seriously investigated if he thinks theres nothing wrong with supply alcohol to a minor and then having sex with her. these two things are not disconnected events.

re: Today in WTF: Guy Gets Off (For/On) Getting 14-Year-Old Girl Drunk, Violating Her

tartlet — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:27:02 GMT

She really needs to appeal...

re: Today in WTF: Guy Gets Off (For/On) Getting 14-Year-Old Girl Drunk, Violating Her

bajonista — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:57:36 GMT

DAs where I live won't even prosecute a rape case if alcohol is involved. Yeah...

So the good news here is that at least the girl got her day in court?