Teenage Girl Gets 2 Month Sentence For False Rape Allegation

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iadr — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:21:41 GMT

Shame on Venus, Brian, others.

Let her rot in jail... lots of deserved diseases for her to pick up there

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astrocyte — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:49:45 GMT

I'm surprised no one is blaming the media for "outing" the true victim before the trial was finished. Why is this mans reputation destroyed? Because "WE", the readers of this story, agree that "WE" are willing to to cast blame before it's due.

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farknerve — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 05:13:47 GMT

My gut tells me she should publicly apologize, pay restitution, and serve time. But one concern...the more punishment we dole out for false accusations, the more we encourage people to persist with the false accusations from fear of being punished if they rescind.

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Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:42:44 GMT

Okay, so this case is pretty clear-cut. And I agree about the ethics of this, but I'm bothered by a question of practicality. How in general do people propose we go about instituting punishment for false rape allegations? How do you determine the allegation was false? Do you consider an allegation to be false if a conviction was not obtained? Any system you implement presents the danger of jailing a real rape victim simply because she failed to obtain a conviction, or was coerced into withdrawing her allegation (it does happen). So is coming foward about a rape but failing to convict the rapist now essentially a crime? Good deal that.

I agree about the heinousness and unfairness of false allegations, and think that for this reason maybe alleged rapists' names should be protected pending conviction, just like the victims'. But other than that, I don't know if there IS any practical, reasonable way to balance these concerns.

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Dr Atomix — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:33:42 GMT

I concur with Charlie. She should be named, pay for all legal fees and be required to make a public apology in the newspaper - with her photo! That way, no one will be taken in by the lying bitch again. Venusinfurrs, it is people like her that undermine true victims of rape. You should be upset with the little bitch, not with people that want to see her properly punished.

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Shapperty — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:46:31 GMT

She's just going to party it up with her friends after she gets out of jail anyway, while this innocent man tries to get what he can of his life put back together.

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skychom — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:45:38 GMT

The girls only real infraction was her shame-driven failure to drop the charges when she realized they were false. I served two months in jail near my 18th birthday, and they certainly didn't seem like a pittance. Don't they have civil proceedings in the UK? That's where this man should find his satisfaction, at least monetarily. As far as his reputation, some of the damage may be irreparable, but if the case has recieved this much publicity, there would be at least half that at the countersuit.

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sam — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:54:27 GMT

cut out her vagina, boil it, and then make her eat it.

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trickie — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:16:04 GMT

I don't understand the people who defend her so vehemently, She was seventeen, young yes but not so young that she wouldn't know or understand the consequences of her actions also it is because of people like her that true victims of sexual assault often don't get taken seriously.

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Jon — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:30:08 GMT

In a false allegation case like this the accuser should recieve the same punishment that the accused would have received, had he been found guilty.

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Elena — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:17:29 GMT

She shouldn't have continued with it after she realized it didn't happen. Her fear of getting in trouble blocked out her ability to realize what would happen to the other person and that they had a life as well. She is also only 17 years old two months to her will be hell underwater and the flame is still going, but that doesn't make up for the fact she ruined someones life and their family's.

She should have to make it up not by having her life ruined as well because and eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. No, she should have to pay for his expenses that she caused. She should also do ALOT community service, get in trouble for drinking under age as well made to apologize to each and every one of his family members.

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hubba hubba — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:33:46 GMT

He lost thousands of pounds? Damn, he must be really fat.

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Ryan — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:11:30 GMT

We had this happen over here in the States with the Duke Lacross "rape". I am reminded what one of the accused had said: when I die, no matter what I have done, this will part of my obituary.

Most jobs now in the US require a background check, and when you google Aftab Ahmed's name, he will forever come up as a rapist. A rape charge is a huge and very serious charge ( as it should be ). Due to the damage it can do to someone, shield laws should apply to both. But there also should be a penalty for blatantly false acusations. At least give her name and let him sue the shit out of her.

For those saying she's only 17, she only made a mistake, consider that damage done to his life. She could have come clean at anytime. Instead she let him spend thousands, let him get dragged through the mud FOR HER MISTAKE! While I am not saying lock her away and throw away the key, there must be a punishment that fits the crime and 2 months does not cut it.

In the case of the Duke Lacross rape, once the charges where found to be false the accusers name was revealed (Crystal Mangum), and the accoused sued pretty much everyone involed, netting themselves around $10 mill each, and Ms Mangum? At least when you look her name up now you, you see her as the fraud that she is.

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umi says — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:00:27 GMT

This is important to discuss--so don't delete the comments.

Think of how this case has shown how we have twisted the idea of victim. The fact that we're arguing that she "made a mistake" shows how far we gone from personal responsibility. She admits to have realized she wasn't raped before the cops came, but still took it to trial. In what way does that make it an honest mistake? She's decided that covering her ass is more important than some man's reputation, livelihood, and family.

and let's not get started with the racial/cultural implications with this.

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Keyser Soze — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:11:59 GMT

They should let him rape her, then they would be even.

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Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:25:26 GMT

I'm not sure if she should be named or not... I could argue it both ways in my head. I just hate the way that the media gets a free pass. Yet again.

Yes the girl falsely accused the man, but that in and of itself would not be enough to ruin his life and reputation. I believe it's the out of control media who then go and print the name and picture of the accused BEFORE any trial happens and all facts come to light should also bear some responsibility. There seems to be no such thing as responsible journalism any more and it sickens me.

How about all the newscasters who broadcast his name and image be made to bear some of the costs and pay damages?

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Burandin — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:26:46 GMT

I think that she should be named. If she's old enough to think she can be out drinking, and she's less than a year from legal adulthood, why the hell shouldn't she? If she's going to chose to be irresponsible, she should suffer the consequences that come with her irresponsibility. Less than twelve years from legal adult is plenty close enough to be convicted as an adult. Chances are she wouldn't have wisened up any in those twelve months had something like this hadn't happened, so why the babying?

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SomeDude — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 04:42:34 GMT

Yes, she's young and stupid. That's not license to let her get away with whatever you want. If you evade taxes, DUI and injure/kill somebody, steal, whatever, the law doesn't let you off for being "young and stupid".

My main concern is that her sentence in no way involves restitution to the falsely-accused person. He gets absolutely nothing out of this trial. Vindication is worthless, as people will never see him the same way. His family is probably extremely shaken up. But she will spend two months in jail, wasting tax-payers' money, and no one but her friends and family will know how little she cares for the well-being of honest people. Especially those who mistakenly try to help her.

At a bare minimum, she should be forced to pay all legal fees for the case (both his and her own). Let her suffer with early debt, instead. It'll teach her far more than taking complete care of her in a public facility at no expense. In cases where it is proven that rape did not take place (with actual proof, instead of a judgement), accusers ought to make a public apology if names were released. And there is little reason to release the name of the accusers and the accused to the bloodthirsty media until something has actually been proven. If the media said anything biased, public apologies ought to be extracted from them, as well.

A person's reputation is the most valuable thing they have. People spend years building that up and defining who they are. Employment, contracts and relationships can be lost and obtained solely on the basis of a reputation. I get pissed over speeding tickets with the wrong amount listed, or when people try to tell me what I think. I would be absolutely infuriated at being publicly humiliated with rape allegations after attempting to assist a drunken, defenseless, possibly stupid person. And if I found out that she knew that I was innocent and kept up the charade anyway, I would sick the legal attack hounds on her until her and her family were on their third mortgage. I'd be needing it just to pick up the pieces of my life.

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A guy — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:30:27 GMT

I'm I the only one who sees an equitable solution? What's the going rate for intercourse with a 17 yr old hot enough to want to rape? Calculate his monetary loss and divide by that. She gets to sleep with him that many times. He can post a video of the consensual interaction and everyone can see he is innocent. What's wrong with that? Money repaid in service and fame restored (or enhanced depending on how he does.) I mean, duh.

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Whataworld — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:07:37 GMT

This chick deserves to be executed. How dare she throw around these alligations like its no big thing! She should die.

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RG — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:09:40 GMT

She was the one who was drunk and lied; and caused damage. She should pay for it; it cannot be, upon the presence of a scintilla of fairness, the taxi driver's burden!

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Rock, Paper, Scissors anybody? — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:13:01 GMT

OMG 2 months is not enuf! She deserves way more!!

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yesman — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:48:24 GMT

stupid bitch

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Lying 7th grader — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:30:12 GMT

So. When I was in 7th grade, I was late for shop class and I told my shop teacher that I had been hit by a car. I don't know why I said it, it was the first thing that came to my mind. I didn't realize it was a big deal. Well, they started looking for the white torrino that had hit me.

And they found one.

Long story short, there was an embarrassing confession and a sincere desire to die under a rock. It was awful. An important lesson was learned though.

Cut this girl some slack. She's 17. She may have almost ruined someone's life but that doesn't mean she's malicious.

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Grant — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:29:29 GMT

This happens, but it's not that common. She was a drunk, stupid, scared kid. Women are often attacked in public spaces, especially by strange men. She should have come forward, but... again, she was a stupid kid. It happens. 2 months ought to set her straight.

Worse case scenario, she doesn't wise up, and gets a kit. They don't find any DNA. If they do, it doesn't match cabbie. No foul. This is justice, folks. It's not perfect, but it's the best we got-- go study our 2000 years of functional law if you want to fix it.

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Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:37:00 GMT

I think people are forgetting a very important detail of the story here. At least according to her quotation at the end of the blog entry, she realized she had made a mistake and didn't do anything about it! This is really why she (well, mainly her parents, as she is a minor) should be punished. The underage drinking and the lie were certainly bad enough, but hiding the truth (to not embarrass herself?!) when another person is suffering because of it is unforgivable.

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irlandes — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:27:56 GMT

I agree with Anne. That 14 year old boy who was 'raped' by an adult teacher a few years ago, the day he turned 18 was ordered to pay her child support. The victim was ordered to go to work to send money to the criminal.

So, I have no problem forcing a 17 year old to start paying her victim money the day she becomes an adult.

I think it's called equality.

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Ben — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:15:05 GMT

Never mind name and shame the girl, name and shame the judges who give these stupid sentences. Once we see enough "Senile Judge Joe botches another trial" headlines in the Sun we may persuade TPTB that these people shouldn't be pulling the strings.

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Anne — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:11:04 GMT

Liars and thieves can cause more damage! At age seventeen, she knew what she was doing and therefore, she should be tried as an adult and pay him back all the costs of the trial. This day and age it's hard to have control over your children and with whom they are associating with. I don't blame the parents except in teaching her right from wrong. She should pay for the consequences. They probably taught her, but she likes that excitement of living on the edge. Well, letting her serve time would be a good discouragement and not for a measley 2 months! Ahmed will have suspicions about if he really did it or not for the rest of his life even if he was proven not guilty! Completely unfair!!!

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Fidelbogen — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:57:43 GMT

@BobbyBrown:

Allow me to rewrite your comment to reflect the priorities more emphatically:

"The WORST damage this girl has done is to the innocent victim of her false allegation. That puts everything else in the shade. However, the potential chilling effect upon bonafide rape victims (although it runs a distant second) should also be given due consideration."