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You were recommended to me by an acquaintance familiar with your column and podcast. Lacking other resources at this particular moment, I have decided to write to you. I am a twenty-year-old male, and as such have certain desires that almost all twenty-year-old males have (desires of a sexual nature). However, I am deeply religious. Religion has been for me a source of strength in my times of weakness, a rock in the times of storm, and above all a home to return to when I have lost my path. In the teachings of my particular religion, to indulge the particular desires I am experiencing will condemn me to fates too grotesque to mention. I am rational enough to realize that there is no way that I can “pray away” these desires. My question is this: how does one prepare for a life of celibacy and solitude (as that is what is required of me to remain a member of this particular faith)? Based off of what my friend has told me, I know you have little respect for religious practices and beliefs. However, these desires are not exactly something I can talk about with other members of my spiritual community. And while I am currently seeking counseling related to other issues, I was wondering what a so-called expert on sex and sexuality would have to say. — Clever Acronyms Escape Me

Get over yourself, faggot.

If it’s possible for you to act on your unnamed-but-easily-identified desires in an ethical manner — if you desire to do whatever it is you desire to do with consenting adults who desire to take their turn doing it to you — this so-called expert on sexuality thinks you should crawl down off that cross and find yourself a boyfriend already. (“Pray away” the gay? I’m guessing you’re Christian, probably Catholic.) And if you experience a moment’s anxiety the first time you stick your ass in the air — pull the Jesus stick out first! — just remind yourself that things have been crawling on top of each other and madly humping away for 850 million years. Sex came first, then humanity (200,000ish years ago,) then religion came along tens of thousands of years after that. Which may explain why religion, when pitted against sex (really old) and human nature (pretty old), always loses. Always.

If you’re on the cross, CAEM, it’s because you put yourself up there. Which means you’re not some poor mortal trapped between a cosmic rock and an existential hard place; you’re just another closeted cocksucker with a martyr complex.

Look, kiddo, you get one life, one chance at happiness. If it gives you a spiritual semi to fantasize about a God who created you gay but forbids you to act on your emotional and sexual attraction to men, knock your damn self out. But you can have a boyfriend and Jesus, too — look at the pope — you just have to do what people have been doing since the first terrified idiot invented the first bullshit religion: improvise. Find yourself a brand-new religion or sect, or jettison the bits of your current faith that don’t work for you. If you know anything about the history of Christianity — and it sounds like you don’t — then you know that the revisions began before the body was cold. No reason to stop now.

And finally, CAEM, there is no God — you do realize that, right? No hell below us, above us only sky, etc.

I’m an only child, male, born to a single mom. I’m about to turn twenty-one, and I’ve been with a great guy for over a year. I may be in love. We both have steady jobs, and we want to move in together. He came out to his parents after we started dating, and now I think it’s my turn. Problem is, I don’t know how to break it to my mother. She’s a tiny Mexican woman who isn’t afraid of smacking me. I’m afraid to tell her. She always talks bad about the gay lifestyle because she considers herself Christian, although not the churchgoing kind. When and how do I break the news that she’s not getting grandkids from me? — Her Only Male Offspring

Your mom is my favorite kind of “Christian.” She’s not the “churchgoing kind,” as that would require some personal sacrifice on her part (of her Sunday mornings, at least.) And she certainly didn’t let her faith interfere with her sex life (I’m assuming your conception was something short of immaculate*.) But when it comes to other people’s lives, when it comes to your sexuality and mine, HOMO, then her Christian values kick into high gear.

How convenient.

Okay, HOMO, lots of us have come out to hostile moms and dads and watched in awe as they morphed into the loving, supportive parents we didn’t know they were capable of being. For some parents the process is quick, for others it’s slow, but it can’t start until you come out.

Now here’s when you come out: the sooner the better — but don’t come out to your mother while she has the power to harm you, i.e., if you’re dependent on her for a place to live or if she’s paying for your education. And here’s how: by U.S. mail. Don’t give your mother the chance to smack you. Write her a letter, include the contact info for the PFLAG chapter in your area, and tell her you’ll discuss this with her after she attends a meeting, not before.

Finally, when I came out to my mother, the first thing out of her mouth was, “I don’t ever want to meet any boyfriends.” She said the word “boyfriend” like it had been dipped in shit. On her deathbed, my mother told me to tell my boyfriend that she loved him (“like a daughter”.) My mom came around, HOMO, and so can yours.

But not until you tell her.

My husband and I got married recently. His first pick for best man was his older brother, “St. Paul,” a seminary student studying to become a priest. When my husband asked, he started crying and said he had hoped my husband would return to the church. We are both liberal ex-Catholics. For a wedding gift, Paul gave us a book called Man and Woman He Created Them: A Theology of the Body, 700 pages of dogma by JP2. In the five years I’ve known him, he has rarely said more than one sentence to me, yet he speaks boldly in favor of the church’s most conservative doctrines at family gatherings. How much of his bullshit do I have to deal with? I’m a huge fan of yours, and I know that you’ve had some issues reconciling your own life with loved ones within the Catholic Church. Your advice would be appreciated. — The Schismatic

Man… so intolerant.

I’m talking about you, TS, not your brother-in-law. Don’t get me wrong: your brother-in-law sounds like total douchedrizzle. But he has a right to his opinions and a right to express them. You have a right to your opinions, too, of course, and just as much a right to express them. When St. Paul goes off on premarital sex or the ordination of women or the gays and their Prada loafers, smile and tell him he’s full of shit. But unless you live with him — and I can’t imagine you would’ve omitted that detail — you don’t see him too often, right? Tolerate his bullshit — that’s what family does — and count your blessings.

And don’t complain about every word that comes out of his mouth and then gripe about how little he has to say to you.

* Note to Bill Donohue: yes, I’ve confused the virgin birth with the Immaculate Conception. So sue me, motherfucker.

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Comments ( 15 )

Dan-You're the best. Keep bringing love and communication to relationships. Eventually it'll become the cultural norm.
P commented on Jul 15 09 at 12:57 am
Man, that guy's going to have a roaring bachelor party.
J commented on Jul 15 09 at 1:17 am
A good website for the first letter writer, although it wouldn't really fit most Dan Savage fans, is gaychristian.net. They are quite conservative (in a kind way, though) but are in favor of gays in christianity.
Brie commented on Jul 15 09 at 2:57 am
CAEM needs to learn that the surest "source of strength in times of weakness" is someone who loves you. Religion is a poor substitute. Love is what sustains us, nourishes us, and gves us a yardstick by which to judge our own moral behaviour. If CAEM cuts himself off from love, no wonder he needs an imaginary pal to love him, unconditionally. If he prefers the love of an abstract god to the love of a real, live, breathing man (or woman) he's taking the coward's way out.
headbang8 commented on Jul 15 09 at 11:25 am
Man, another example of an intolerant left-wing nutjob preaching tolerance to others. Such a contradiction.
Tom commented on Jul 15 09 at 1:21 pm
Fantastic. Gorgeous. Made me cry, honestly, especially the first letter. Get down off the cross you put yourself on, and enjoy your life with love and respect for yourself and others. Gorgeous.
JM commented on Jul 15 09 at 3:01 pm
You have got to be the biggest prick ever. I know, you probably think I am some right wing nutjob - not so. You crushed that poor kid in the first letter. That must be how those who are out treat thore who are not; with total contempt. I am sure it was hard for you to come out, and this poor bastard has a whole boatload of baggage on top of it. Frankly, if I were gay and coming out meant having to be a douche like you, I would stay up on the old cross.
Withheld commented on Jul 15 09 at 8:56 pm
Dan Savage: proof that intolerance isn't exclusive to the religious right.
m commented on Jul 15 09 at 11:30 pm
I'm starting to wonder if the right thing would be for the first letter writer to talk to someone in his religious community. They must have been horny twenty-year-olds at one point too. He could stay vague about the specifics if he's terrified. (With as vague as the letter is I'm sure that won't be a problem.) Maybe they have better advice than us non-religious people on the topic of denying your desires. I understand where Dan's defensiveness is coming from but he might not have been totally helpful.
semi_factual commented on Jul 16 09 at 12:18 am
Dan, You're leotarded when it comes to morality versus immediacy. For one moment, compare homosexuality, pedophilia, and serial murder. They are different. Consider your advise in light of "if what feels good for the person versus the feelings of others." There is a moral compass and people should be aware of it and not tread lightly on it. What feels right? Does your desire harm anything/one? These are basic quesions. Leotard ...
Dan commented on Jul 16 09 at 10:51 pm
Dan: You, yourself, baptized your kid in the Catholic faith - so why dump so harshly on letter-writer #1? Giving the kid access to resources that might help him come to terms with himself would be far better - plenty of gay Christians are out there - including gay Catholics - and not all of them even go to segregated churches! Kid's just got to find those places where the true spirit of Christian love prevails and where he can hammer out a gay life within the moral compass of his religion's sexual ethics. It ain't rocket science, bro, this compassion business.
Jeezuz commented on Jul 17 09 at 9:33 pm
CLEAM: Is there truly no one among your spiritual community to whom you can speak about this, in confidence? Not knowing the specifics of your situation, I can only offer this: It doesn't matter what is approved of by the church OR what is approved of by the LGBT community. The only thing that matters is the peace you can arrive at within your own heart. Only you can make this decision. You must decide which desire is greater: staying true to your beliefs, or staying true to your feelings. No matter what you decide, you will never be alone and you will always be Loved. Good Luck.
Valkyrie commented on Jul 18 09 at 12:57 am
Dan--so good to find you here, since I've quit reading the Village Voice. I would add a few things to the guy in the first letter. First, what do YOU believe about your sexual proclivities? Forget, for a minute, what your church teaches. What do you ACTUALLY believe about it? What do you think God ACTUALLY thinks about it? When you make peace with those answers within yourself, I think your course of action will be a lot more clear. Be assured that you can be gay and still be a Christian, and plenty of other churches will be more than happy to accept you for what you actually are, as God made you.
Emily commented on Jul 18 09 at 11:07 pm
Usually love your column but your response to the first writer was really uncalled for. I have a gay brother who grew up very religious. Part of his dependence on Catholicism had to do with us coming from a difficult and abusive background. Many people who have issues, addictions, depression, and other problems often seek out a strict religion because it often gives you structure or something to believe in or even more important a sense of community (especially important for lonely people). It took him a long time to break away from Catholicism and accept his gayness. But, I guarantee that if he'd first contacted you and your response was-roughly translated--"you're a douchebag, get off your cross, and by the way, there is no god"--he'd think, "damn, gay guys are mean AND don't believe in God!" What is your beef with the poor kid? Furthermore, what is your beef with people who are religious? I know that many of them judge you harshly, but as someone who is giving much-needed advice to often misguided people, you need to be above all that and try to understand where others are coming from. Having a constructive dialogue with people who have different opinions(as irritating as they may be) is usually a more constructive way to go.
Anna commented on Jul 24 09 at 2:06 am
Okay, This 'Dan Savage' guy isn't the brightest of the bunch (more likely to fit in with the dull). He starts his argument with sex being older than humans, and religion. So basically he stated (if you interpret) "The sex wins because it is older" but what he so stupidly forgets is that though sex is 'older' it was performed by.. the stupid, less intellegent, things/beings that walked this earth. the kind of things we keep as pets and eat (ex. cows, moose). which, by my standards, after he stated "Which may explain why religion, when pitted against sex (really old) and human nature (pretty old), always loses. Always." I stopped reading for fear of losing a couple points on my I.Q. The reason WHY religion beats sex "always" is because no other living thing on this planet has a conscious, thus it cannot think, and cannot calculate what the consequences of sex can be. Plus, Humans have what we like to call a 'world' or 'economy', thus they are all effected by the actions they take, and harshly I might add. (ex. sex leads to kids before college, leads to not taking college, leads to working a dead end job, leads to living unsatisfied, leads to death.) Not to mention that the brain itself is effected by having premarital sex, it effects it by causing insecurities (ex.will this guy leave me? why?). Religion in it's self is set so that a person can have a basis of what to do, what not to do. Even though now people go against religion and have sex anyways, it is guaranteed to negatively effect your life in more than one way.
The Philosopher commented on Oct 03 09 at 11:32 pm

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