Miss Information

My girlfriend's refusal to commit is making me obsessed with her. How can I snap out of it?

Obsessed with Girlfriend

Faby Martin

By Cait Robinson

Have a question? Email missinfo@nerve.com. Letters may be edited for length, content, and clarity.

Dear Miss Information,

I recently decided to completely uproot myself and move to the west coast — a dream I've had since I was three years old. I saved up money, and I made it out here a month ago.

I reconnected with an ex-girlfriend the second week I arrived, and we began hanging out once a week. I've been thinking of her for years, and we even tried to do a long-distance thing for a few months, two years ago, but it fell apart. I'm not sure why — perhaps we had different expectations about what we wanted.

At first it was good to see her, I was still high from having made it out here. Our families both privately expect us to get married and live happily ever after, and even the two of us can't imagine ever feeling the same way way about another person. She tells me she loves me and she sees us spending "the rest of our lives together and having children, etc." but then turns around and says, "I wish you'd come back into my life five years from now — I'm not ready for you."

What the hell is that supposed to mean?! She is twenty-four and I am twenty-seven. While I am not ready to get that serious, either, it translates in my mind to, "Hey, I can see spending the rest of my life with you but I've got some more fucking to do before that." I am losing my mind. Her withholding is making me feel more inclined to pursue her as my only goal, instead of pursuing my own career and projects.

I don't want to let go of her — because no other woman before or after has enthralled or impassioned or intoxicated me the way she does. But I'm losing focus on what I need to be working on. I feel like I should be able to keep her in my sights while still getting situated here. The other way to deal with it seems to simply be to end it now. Fuck.

Skull Splitter

Dear Skull Splitter,

Ugh, I sympathize with you here. Any situation that pits "I know" against "... but I want!" is at the very least some circle of hell. It's safe to say that 95% of us have been there, and the other 5% are lying or jerks.

Pile the "West Coast! Wooo!" on one side of the balance, and "... but she's SO EFFING HOT" on the other. What comes up for you? I'm guessing it's something like this:

I'm finally here! I need to make friends. I have career growth and opportunity. Holy shit, have you seen those hiking trails?!

vs.

But her eyes sparkle... when the sun comes out... which, unfortunately, is rare on much of the West coast.

My point with this pseudo-scientific exercise is that it sounds to me like you know what you need to do. You just don't want to do it. Which is totally understandable. Even your language — "enthralled, impassioned, intoxicated" — speaks to an altered state, rather than a healthy, or even sustainable, one.

But here's the breakdown: if she's told you she's "not ready for you," that means she's not ready for you. Maybe she has more fucking to do. Maybe she really wants to volunteer for Habitat for Humanity. Maybe she's not done gluing sequins onto the wall-sized mural that she'll reveal to you on your wedding night, five years from now. Her reasoning doesn't matter; what she's telling you does. As much as it sucks, and as painful as her mixed messages are, you need to trust her on this. It's her roundabout way of telling you she's not willing to invest in a relationship. As long as you keep fighting her "no"s with "I'll try harder!", it will keep feeling like you're beating your head against a wall.

The good news is that you can get out with your dignity intact. As long as you keep chasing her, she has the upper hand; she gets the ego boost, you get frustrated. Use this as an impetus to find your own footing in a new town. I'm sure you can do it — it sounds like you have a lot going on. Set your sights on your own development, and let go of this girl for awhile. Investing in your own life will yield far better returns.

Dear Miss Information,

I recently moved into a new apartment, and the walls are thin. Like, really thin. Really, really, wafer-thin. Do you get how thin I mean? Very. So okay, my roommate — who I met through Craigslist and don't know very well — has his girlfriend over every so often. And it's awful. I can tell they're trying to be quiet, since I know the last guy to live in this room talked to them about it. They play music or whisper, but they're failing — I can hear heavy breathing, occasional moans, and unmistakable slaps. It's bad. I find myself resenting them both, but not knowing what to do. They're already trying to keep a lid on it, you know? She's also moving cross-country in a month or so, so maybe I should just keep quiet. They've woken me up on more than one occasion and I feel gross and weird about it, especially since they probably think nobody has any idea that their fucking is totally out of control. What should I do?

— Through the Wall

Dear Through the Wall,

Ah, the joys of city dwelling! I suppose you've already thought of the obvious: playing music, investing in earplugs, getting a white-noise machine? How about building a pillow fort to block the sound? Anecdotally, a friend of mine who was in a similar predicament used to play what he referred to as "boner-killer music," the worst mood music he could think of, in a supremely passive-aggressive move. He settled on Chumbawumba's "Tubthumping" on repeat. It didn't stop the amorous couple, but it did make me giggle. Don't be like him, though. Aim higher.

The tricky thing here is that a) you don't know them very well, b) they're already trying to stay quiet, and c) the girlfriend is leaving soon. If you bring it up with them, it's likely to make your living situation tense and awkward. If you keep it to yourself, but build resentment, it's likely to make your living situation tense and awkward. If you take my other friend's advice, and start moaning and screaming back at them through the wall, it will definitely make things tense and awkward. So it's kind of a "choose your poison" situation.

Whatever you choose, though, keep an eye on your own resentment. You're going to have to live there regardless, so pick the option that feels most comfortable for you — whether that's a confrontation, a killer fort, a new pair of headphones, or checking off the days until his girlfriend moves. Whatever you do, don't be passive-aggressive. And if all else fails, Through the Wall, make a new friend and sleep elsewhere once in awhile.

Commentarium (40 Comments)

Jan 10 11 - 1:25am
AG

Am I doing correctly on the obsessed guy in the first letter? He moved there a month ago, he reconnected with the ex his second week there, and they've been hanging out once a week since? So he's seen her ... three times since moving there? This is an awful lot of drama and angst for someone he's only seen three times in recent history, isn't it?

Jan 10 11 - 1:28am
TwiddlerOnTheHoof

Noisy fucking person - Just tell them again, Jesus! It's only sex and how offended are they likely to be if they're already conscious of not disturbing you. You don't need to get specific and break down the probable cause of every gurgle, moan and slap. Just casually remark, while brewing the coffee, "Oh hey guys can you keep the fucking down a bit, it's disturbing my sleep rhythms/atopic eczema/trombone practice...".

Jan 10 11 - 1:31am
Cynthia

LW2 should consider another option: moving. This is going to continue to be an issue as long as you live there, for you and/or your roommates. Why put up with that? Go find a place with thicker walls. You can survive with earplugs for the interim.

Jan 10 11 - 2:03am
Amber

SS: It sounds like you're trapped in some bad movie. Walk away dude. Grow some nuts and leave.

TTW: Ask them to not wake you up with their banging. Other than that. Welcome to adulthood with roommates.

Jan 10 11 - 2:25am
KK

I had a roommate like LW2. They would play music really really loud, but you could still hear the female make these wannabe porn star noises. I knocked on his door mid scream and said "other people live here". We argued a bit, he was mostly pissed off that he probably didn't get to finish, but they toned it down or at least made sure I wasn't home.

Jan 10 11 - 3:36am
Lawrence

The roomie should just scream out at the end of it... better than porn.

Jan 10 11 - 6:51am
Paranoimia

If you have to listen to it, then demand you be allowed to see the visuals that go with the noises.

Jan 10 11 - 9:50am
JCF

Both of these letter writers might benefit from trying to imagine the other person's viewpoint.

(1. You're a 24-year-old woman trying to establish your life in a city you moved to a couple of years ago. Out of the blue, an ex-boyfriend you spent a lot of agonizing time getting over drops back into your life. You let him visit once a week, but he wants more, and at the rate he's going, he's going to start wanting you to pump out babies soon. You still feel young and are not sure you're ready to settle down. What do you do?

2. Your girlfriend is about to move away to another city in a month, and you're not going with her. You want to get as much love-making in as you can before it all ends. However, your new roommate gets annoyed at what you're doing in your own private room in your own home. You try to keep it down, but that doesn't seem to help. You've never complained when he made noise. Why can't he just be patient and let you have this last bit of fun?)

All just speculation on my part, of course, but communication might shed some more light and understanding.

Jan 10 11 - 10:26am
cc

noise-cancelling headphones, a calendar, and a big red marker. it's just sex.

Jan 10 11 - 11:06am
girlJ

Um, Through the Wall? Relax. This is an extremely common problem with no perfect solution. If the girlfriend practically lived with you and they weren't making any effort to keep it down, then you would certainly have the right to say something. But they're already working hard to be conscientious about you. And she's leaving! Give them their space, surely the shoe will be on the other foot sometime.

Jan 10 11 - 11:50am
@SkullSplitter

If she's truly sincere (and not trying to avoid hurting your feelings) she'll come back into your life on her own terms. You can't force her to love you, and resenting her (especially resenting her indirectly by using accusatory, shaming terms like "got more fucking to do" - seriously, use that phrase in an argument, and see if she ever talks to you again) isn't going to score you any points. Move on with your life.

Jan 10 11 - 12:11pm
Emi

I think the key to LW2's letter is this: "they probably think nobody has any idea that their fucking is totally out of control."

The problem seems to be that what's really bothering the writer is that the roommate & friend are actually having lots of sex.

JCF captured both of these whiny letters perfectly.

Jan 10 11 - 1:31pm
LV

I also don't understand the "idea that their fucking is totally out of control". Does that mean that they have sex every night? multiple times a night? ...quietly? How the hell is quiet frequent sex out of control? What's the grounds for that statement? Has LW2 never had sex before?

Jan 10 11 - 1:39pm
JRB

Good articles so far, but you can remove the first paragraph from any answer.

Jan 10 11 - 1:54pm
@LV

Yeah, when I got to the last part of that letter, all I could picture was some neurotic douche of indeterminate gender whose definition of "totally out of control" is "whatever happens to annoy me". Given that the roommate's trying to keep it down, what seems "totally out of control" is LW2's self-centeredness and resentment.

Jan 10 11 - 2:31pm
Dang It

SS needs some testes and the roomie needs a fan.

Jan 10 11 - 2:38pm
George

Oh god! If you do not want to listen do copulating people in your lousily built appartment, do not share it with a copulating housemate. It is as easy as this. Or take part in their fornicating. Or become an adult.

Jan 10 11 - 3:10pm
oatmealshrapnel

"Her reasoning doesn't matter; what she's telling you does."

so true!

Jan 10 11 - 3:51pm
dani

Thin walls: get a white noise machine or a fan. It should block out the sound (I am speaking from experience!)

Jan 10 11 - 6:47pm
notfromaroundhere

1) Play hard to get.
2) Be happy for them instead of so jealous. Also, try get out more and give them some privacy.

Jan 10 11 - 7:30pm
ACS

LW2: I've had a couple of similar situations with roommates: in one instances it was her occasionally screaming/rowdy kids, and in the other it was when I was living in the upstairs loft (3 walls!) of a 2 bedroom and one roommate worked nights and came home to make protein shakes in the blender at 5AM. Get a pair of decent and comfortable earplugs, it will do wonders. Seriously.

Jan 10 11 - 10:44pm
dee

Out of control fucking.. that is too funny. I used to have to listen toan rold roomie and her boyfriend go at it. Honestly, i just laughed and returned to what i was doing. Everyone fucks, yo.

Jan 10 11 - 10:56pm
AH

When in college I had a next door neighbor in a place with thin walls from where, nearly every night at 2am, we would hear loud moaning. At first, it was disconcerting, but eventually it was kinda endearing - in the "oh yay, they're having fun!" kind of way. (it helped i was not single, so i was not resentful of their fun since i was having some of my (quieter) own). Later when in a 2 person apartment, it was a bit more disconcerting b/c I, too, could hear distinct slaps, which was WAY too much information. But finding another place you can sleep (whether for sex or just a couch) is also really good advice.

Jan 11 11 - 12:15am
reader

@AG, you totally called it...according to his letter, LW1 wrote after only 2 weeks of renewed contact with his ex. Smells like -at worst- a super creepy obsession or -at best- an extreme case of insecurity. At any rate, he needs to grow a pair and move on.

Jan 11 11 - 5:45am
JD

Like Obsessed Boy's writing style.

Jan 11 11 - 9:10am
LB

To echo some other commenters, Through the Wall needs to get real and chill out. I'm not sure what else can be expected - they are already trying to be quiet and to cover up their noise with music and she is leaving in a month. Also, according to the letter-writer this only happens "every so often". Every so often, whispery sex is not "totally out of control". If it were nightly headboard banging scream-fests, that would be a different thing. But that's not what's going on, so buy some headphones, remind yourself that it's just sex and there's no reason to be uptight about it, and expect your roommate to be just as chill when you are the one who is trying to have quiet sex.

Jan 11 11 - 11:37am
K

Ditto, LB.

"...heavy breathing, occasional moans and unmistakable slaps" can easily be drowned out by ear plugs, turning on a fan, or using both. I think everyone who had ever had roommates has had to make this small concession.

Jan 11 11 - 12:09pm
MC

I know it's already been said. But how on EARTH is "heavy breathing, occasional moans and unmistakable slaps" "totally out of control" fucking? I, like most people, have been in the letter writer's position, and it sucks. And the answer, always, is to go out and get some "totally out of control" fucking done yourself.

Jan 12 11 - 7:39pm
B

I used to live in a Co-op and sex noises were a problem. I suggest getting egg crating for that wall, (call whole foods) cover the entire wall (use double sided hanging tape so you don't leave marks) then cover the egg crates with a thick blanket. It'll take 2 hours and will sound proof the wall. Or, get over sex noises. Everyone does it.

Jan 13 11 - 11:33pm
Whoa

Through The Walls, you need to chill out. It sounds like you're jealous that they're having sex and you're not, or you have some moral problem with sex as recreation. Anyways, I live with two other people in a house where the entire building shakes when someone has sex. What do we do when it happens? Laugh about it, and try to outdo each other. And yes, white noise, music, and adding rugs and wall hangings will also help muffle the sounds.

Jan 14 11 - 6:02pm
CaitRobinson

Oh yeah, Through the Walls' problem definitely falls under the umbrella of "suck it up; it builds character." And look at all of the Nerve commenters who are just bursting with character.

Jan 15 11 - 5:00am
ricochet

That girl in California should move, change her address, change her name, dye her hair, and get away from this psycho. In three weeks he's going crazy for her? He basically admits to having obsessed about her. I'm sure the move to California and running into the "ex" was just a complete coinkydink. Dude is crazy bad and will probably end up doing something terrible.

Jan 16 11 - 12:22am
Eh

How come that guy in the hat is holding on to a cross-dresser's leg and why are there balloons?

Jan 17 11 - 5:26pm
ms

Skull Splitter's story is a bit fishy to me. Even though he dreamed about moving West since he was 3, I would find it hard to believe that the his ex-gf of the failed LDR had nothing to do with his motivation to save up and move. Methinks this obsession began long before the week they reconnected. His expectations haven't changed.

Jan 20 11 - 12:40am
le

new miss information likes to take a very neutral, non-confrontational stance on everything, it seems.

Jan 22 11 - 4:13pm
penelope

Hey skullsplitter, what exactly have you done for this girl that entitles you to ask her to give up her God-given right to get some more fucking done? You tried to LDR her and it didn't work, but you have no clue why...you can't even make the effort to figure that out, yet you want her to make a major commitment to you after THREE DATES? It's not her job to be your Xanax. I'd be giving you the Heisman too, and I'd be way less polite about it. Get your own life together, and when you have something to offer her instead of just coming to her with your bottomless wants, maybe you'll get a better reception.

Mar 27 11 - 11:26am
Winsome

Dear Skull-Splitter
These words {enthralled, impassioned, intoxicated} just say it all. You are infatuated with her body/sexual aura/vibe/image - this is not adult love. These are not feelings or reasons to settle down with someone for life. Healthy adult love is not about huge intoxicating highs. Google Wikipedia 'Love Styles.' What you write about sounds a lot like the love style 'Mania.' This woman is probably not your future wife. Your chemicals match very well and that's about the strength of it. Work on your emotional maturity. Have you really analysed why your relationship may not have worked in the first place? This could be a wise place to start! Have you ever really got to know the woman she is inside? Or are you really more in love with her physicality?

Nov 21 11 - 3:10am
Gertie

Walking in the presence of gntias here. Cool thinking all around!

Nov 21 11 - 2:52pm
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