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Hi guys, quick bit of housekeeping: I heard that some of you were sending your internet dating disaster stories for last week's win a free book contest and getting bounce-backs to your email. The problem should be fixed now, so email me your story by end of day Sunday, May 16th. Keep it under 500 words. You can remain anonymous or have your blog, band, or questionably tasteful Etsy store hyped to your heart's content. Rock on!
Dear Miss Information,
Should I make a move on my roommate? I'm not sure of his sexuality, but I do know that he's smoking hot. We share an apartment off-campus and we're both in our junior year of college at NYU. He brings girls over sometimes but none of his hook-ups last very long. I'm openly gay, which he says he's cool with, as long as I don't bring guys over. I told him that's fine, as long he knows that the rule goes both ways and he can't do that with girls.
He's been respectful of that, though I have caught him a few times breaking the rule. Once I busted him and a girl coming out of our shared shower. "I was drunk" and "It's college!" are his usual comebacks. He's always walking the apartment around half-naked and making jokes like, "I'm so about to hump you, man," or "Let's kiss!" but I can't tell if it's Andy Samberg-on-SNL-style-homoerotic/ironic fucking around or he really means it. If I came on to him and he rejected me, or worse, got mad, I'd feel really (really!) stupid. What would you do? — Bachelor's Degree in Hesitation
Dear Bachelor's Degree in Hesitation,
Let this one go.
Reason #1: He's your roommate.
Best-case scenario, he reciprocates and the two of you start dating. It's great for a few months. Then you start arguing over who left the milk out and who paid the cable bill. Romance? Gone. Sexual tension? Gone. Courtship is the fun part. When you skip ahead, everyone loses. Worst-case scenario, he gets offended, kicks you out or moves out himself, and then you have to find a new roomie.
Reason #2: He's fucked up.
I'm talking about his sexuality, his self-identity, and — most of all — his emotional IQ. He's comfortable living with a gay person as long as it's on his terms, but then he goes ahead and breaks his own rules. According to his reasoning, getting drunk and disrespecting your roommate are an acceptable and a normal part of college, but it's somehow deviant of you to want to have a guy over and smoke bongs and watch DVDs in the living room. He may or may not be a self-hating closet case, but he's definitely a hypocrite. Why would you want to date him? He makes Andy Dick look like a dreamboat.
Reason #3: You're in college.
Sure, he might be a good pick. If you were in prison or a tiny town in Arkansas and there wasn't anybody better to choose from. You are a young guy, in college, in New York City, at a very cool (albeit expensive as fuck and I have no idea how you can afford it and I'm really very jealous) school. You could be meeting artists, filmmakers, financiers, and frat boys. This is the place that has it, whatever you're into. Be like Pokémon collector and catch 'em all, except the ones with the big red flags who just so happen to live with you.
Dear Miss Information,
Around January 2008, I started seeing a girl and we fell in love. The sex was amazing, as was the connection and companionship. Fast forward to September 2009, and we split up. I was being too possessive and jealous. I had a (since resolved) issue with smoking too much pot, and she was needing space. When we broke up, something came out of her that was blocked. She told me she had a dark secret she'd never told anyone before, though I don't know specifically what happened.
We had a turbulent time via texts and emails until we started getting back together around November of 2009. I had fixed my issues and things seemed okay. We went on holiday, spent lots of couple time together, and did lots of family things — weddings and so on — but during this time, she alternated between loving me and being emotionally unavailable.
Then I found out she had been having an affair with a guy she had just met. She messaged him in front of me to say I knew about him and that it was over between them. I also found out that she was seeing a different guy around the time we were getting back together. She broke up with him to be with me but relapsed at least once. I know she regretted it, but we ended up breaking up the next day.
We are in some contact and she is about to start therapy. She says she hopes to be able to talk to me about her issues. She says she knows that is what is wrong with her, but she doesn't know how to deal with it yet.
If she is getting therapy and she can get past her depression, I feel that she might want to come back. I just don't know what to feel about this, though. I do love her more than I ever have anyone. Can she truly fix herself, now she recognizes that there is something wrong and is no longer running from it? — In Love with Trouble
Dear In Love with Trouble,
You've got it all twisted, my friend. You wonder if she "might want to come back" when you should be questioning whether you'd even take her ass back. You feel sorry for her when you should be feeling sorry for you.
Everyone's messed up, it's just a question of to what degree and how it manifests itself. If smoking too much grass and being whiny when she goes out with attractive male friends are your only crimes, then it sounds like she's got you way beat when it comes to having issues. This is assuming, of course, you're not minimizing a raging drug addiction into "smoking too much pot" and a restraining order into "too possessive and jealous." You're not holding out on me, In Love with Trouble, are you?
Issues are sad. We wish no one had them, least of all the people we adore. It goes against common sense to detach from someone when they're having issues, but sometimes it's the only decent thing we can do.
Otherwise, you're teaching her that dealing with her deep dark secrets by cheating on someone is acceptable and that you're cool with being a source of feel-good comfort and judgment-free reassurance as she continues to run from whatever's plaguing her. If there's even something plaguing her. I've known a couple people who've invented or trumped-up stories in order to dodge responsibility for their mistakes. Not saying that's your girlfriend. Just saying you should be wary.
Can she overcome all her bullshit and be a good girlfriend to you? Sure. But you must separate from one another for a while and let her figure out her shit and you figure out your shit and let everything rest. Don't be friends. Be friendly strangers on sabbatical.
Go to therapy yourself if you think you need it, and try to meet some other girls. There are relationships that are easier and much more enjoyable than this one, I guarantee you. Once you've been outside your microcosm of drama and bullshit, I doubt you'll want to return. If you do, then you'll know it's meant to be, whether you get back together as happy, healed adults or co-dependents who grow up to raise little mini-co-dependents in their own image.
Readers, have you ever bought the "I'm a fucked up person" defense when someone's cheated on you? If so, what were the circumstances?









Commentarium (14 Comments)
Like throwing your hands up in the air and shrugging, 'I can't help it! I have issues!' as some sort of 'get out of jail free' card for shitty behavior? Let her address her issues and go find someone else while she does the work for herself. She's using you as her fuck up fallback option, it's not something you should stay involved in. She has to learn that when she fucks with other people's hearts at her will, she has to face the consequences of being alone like a big girl. Otherwise she'll never have a real incentive to change.
Thanks Miss Info. I am not minimizing anything, the pot was certainly an addiction – but one that I have left behind. The jealousy was not the raging type (I have been on the other end of that), but I think it was worse because of a previous bad experience she had with an ex. She has also stated that she didn’t want to blame her actions on some label or diagnosis.
I guess I was asking the internet “can someone really fix these things?” Whether or not we should get back together is something that is complicated and that we have discussed since I sent you this question. The dealbreaker isn’t the past, or forgiveness – it is the future. It is not whether I am buying some excuse – it is about the capability of someone to deal with genuine and serious mental health issues and take control. To change. She has stated that she never wants to do that kind of thing again. If I cant believe this is possible, then there is nothing to discuss.
In Love With Trouble... it sounds like she is trying to improve herself, and bravo to her for that. But there are too many little red flags here -- in my experience, when someone makes the kinds of mistakes she made (pining for someone else, cheating with someone she just met, etc.), she's just not crazy about you.
She recognizes that she has a good thing going with you, so she's pushing herself to make it work, to really, really want to love you. But maybe she doesn't. Maybe she's a) not ready for this b) not going to be ready for this.
The first question could have stopped after "Should I make a move on my roommate?" Because the answer is NO. Doesn't matter what any of the other details are.
If it is a true mental illness, I don't think it will ever go away but usually can be treated with meds (whether someone stays on them is another story). If it is just a matter of resolving issues, that depends on her motivation and the therapist's skills. No matter which it is, there are no guarantees, In Love..., but then is there in any relationship? Really comes down to how much you want to invest and if you are willing to take a chance.
I feel for the roommate case. I had the exact same problem except my roommate was my attractive, slightly older stepsister during my first two years of high school. I ruled against coming onto her because I didn't want to have to live with her if she said no, even though she flirted with me all the time.
I say hit on your roommate and get the incredible story. Even if it unwinds the way Erin says it could you still have had the life experience. I regret playing it so safe in college.
well it sounds like the cheating took place mainly during the time you guys were broken up, with some of it spilling over into the "grey area" during which you were maybe getting back together. Right? If that is the case, then it isn't really cheating, as you weren't really together, and maybe it should just be treated as water under the bridge. However, overall, I agree with the poster who said that someone who runs hot and cold, who continues to sleep with others and do destructive things even when it seems a reconciliation is in the works, just may not be as into you as you are into her. But she recognizes that you are a good guy and that you love her, so she wants it to work... I don't think that's a great basis for a relationship, but...you sound like you are head over heels for this girl, so probably nothing anyone says will change your mind.
I think the gay man considering hitting on his roommate (of undetermined sexual orientation) is dangerous. Please, look up "Jenny Jones murder" or "Scott Amedure." And be careful.
I don't mean that HE (bachelor's degree OP) is dangerous, but "making a move" on the roommate is a potentially dangerous situation. Sorry.
ILWT doesn't give us the whole picture I'm thinking. When they broke up I assume she was free to do as she pleased. Just as he was. So there was some spillover from the breakup. The woman has the right to take her time before committing to this guy. If she was dating someone as attractive(I mean as relationship material) I can see where she would take her time to extricate herself. I see all sorts of misplaced jealousy here on the dude. We haven't heard from her on how the first breakup went. So she's seeing a therapist. So what. As far as his pot addiction he doesn't say he quit. "I fixed my issues. I left it behind." What the hell does that mean? Does it mean he no longer feels addicted?
This whole thing doesn't smell right.
i think the HE should get drunk and/or high with the roommate and make a move on him. i think most guys experiment at some point, so it's a pretty safe bet if he's already given some signals. at the least, he shouldn't be surprised (he's hot and knows you're gay), and there's no reason he should get angry or murderous (last commentor--huh?). don't expect a relationship, but i think you'll regret it if you don't try.
I think your roommate is basically heero, but that dosn't mean he doesn't have some "bi-curious attractions". Unless he is a real nerd, the behavior you observe, "He's always walking the apartment around half-naked and making jokes like, "I'm so about to hump you, man," or "Let's kiss!" may express his desire to "experiment" with some gay stuff-or just have the experience. He probably knows he won't turn gay by doing something with you for the erotic fun of it. But he is ambivalent and a little scared that you will tell him to fuck off, so he is trying to get you to "make a pass" which will give him permission to suggest that he would be willing to do some stuff, like mutual masterbation, erotic wrestling, etc.
Anyway, instead of making a pass, just sit him down, tell him you respect his boundaries and you treat him as he would treat his own sister. But he should know that he is hot and his teasing talk is very confusing. Ask him straight--out if he wants to try out some "gay" stuff as part of his college experience. If not, then tell him not to be a tease least he drive you to a wild and dangerous lust.
That way it's a win-win for you. If he says no, he is sorry to be a tease, you can tell him to let you know if he changes his mind. That way, you have been cool, and maybe he will be more respecting of you in the future.
If he says he wants to experiment just for the experience then you may have a convenient fuck buddy for whom you are doing a good deed
oops, The word in the first sentence should have be hetero.
Now you say something