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Is a threesome with my coworkers a bad idea?
By Dan Savage
My wife and I have been married for a few years and are expecting our first child. I'm really into the idea of being sprayed with my wife's breast milk. The other night, she was fretting about when her boobs are going to start leaking. This seemed like a good time to bring it up, so I told her about my newly discovered lactation fetish. She freaked out — her comments were along the lines of "Gross!" and "That's not what that's for!" This is something I'd really like to explore, but I don't know how to reapproach the subject.
— Man Into Lactation Kink
Not all pregnant women, however thrilled they are about having children, are excited about — much less excited by — the physical changes that come with pregnancy. So you might wanna keep your mouth shut until your wife has some time to get comfortable with her new boobs, MILK, and their new milk-producing superpowers.
Once the kid is out and the milk is in and your wife has fully recovered from the birth experience and you start fucking again… you should probably keep keeping your mouth shut. The wife won't have forgotten that conversation, I promise you, and if she comes to see her breast milk as a bodily fluid like so many others, i.e., one of those fluids that adults sometimes share during sex, perhaps she'll warm to breast-milk splatter play.
But don't take my word for it, MILK.
"Before I had a baby," said a new mother I shared your letter with, "I would've had the same reaction — gross! I would've wondered if my husband has unresolved mother issues. The idea of sexualizing a bodily secretion that's designed solely for my infant? That seems a bit taboo. But now that I've had a baby, my reaction would be somewhat different."
How so?
"It can be a challenge to feel intimate after childbirth and as sleep-deprived new parents," said the new mom. "So I'd perhaps shrug and summon my new mom mantra: whatever works."
I am a twenty-five-year-old lesbian. I've been with men before, but I never really liked it — penises freak me out. My coworker recently asked me to have a threesome with him and his boyfriend using a strap-on. I'm intrigued. They're both very attractive, and I would like to try it, if only for the story. But I'm worried that two penises will really freak me out. I also worry that my strap-on skills, while great for the ladies, would bore two six-foot-two gay men. Do you think I should do it? Can you recommend a way to get over my penis fear? Is it a bad idea to try this out with a coworker?
— Intrigued But Scared
I think you should do it — and you knew I would think you should do it, which leads me to believe that you wanna do it, otherwise you would've written to any one of the hundreds of don't-do-it advice columnists out there. (Prudie would've made some great assfucking puns but almost certainly would've told you not to do it.)
Office affairs can get messy — but the messes are likelier when the romantic stakes are high. There are no romantic stakes here, IBS, and as long as you're both mature enough to separate your work relationship from your strap-on relationship, I don't see why you shouldn't satisfy your curiosity, theirs, and mine. (I'm curious what their height has to do with anything.)
As for your fears and insecurities: tell the boys in advance that dicks scare you, let them know there might be some nervous laughter, and remind them before you start not to point those things at you. Then enjoy, take pics, and send a full report — my readers are going to want to know how it went.
I spent a long time in a relationship with a wonderful man who had a very low libido. I know how challenging it can be when you are not sexually satisfied in a relationship. I have started seeing a new gentleman. After several weeks, he confided that he enjoys being defecated on. I told him I didn't know that I could accommodate him but I didn't think any less of him. He seemed relieved that I wasn't judging him and genuine when he said he wouldn't want me to do anything I was uncomfortable with. I am wondering if by denying this kink I am being unfair or, worse yet, leaving him feeling unsatisfied in the way my ex made me feel. He has not pushed it, but I want to know if my refusal to do this negatively impacts my GGG assessment.
— Clean Sheets Enthusiast
No, CSE, it does not. People should be understanding, indulgent, and GGG — "good, giving, and game" — and a partner's reasonable fetishes, kinks, and quirks should be accommodated. A thing for feet or crossdressing or bondage? Totally reasonable! Accommodate away! A thing for shit or animals or seitan? Unfuckingreasonable.
It's wonderful — I suppose — that your boyfriend felt safe enough with you to share this info, and he's probably thrilled that you didn't, er, dump him on the spot. (Prudie could've come up with something better.) But the internet was invented expressly to remove guys like your boyfriend from the dating pool. Kink personal sites make it possible for people with unreasonable fetishes to find partners who share their unreasonable fetishes. That you're still seeing him, and calling him a gentleman, is the best he could hope for from someone he didn't meet on a shit and/or seitan fetish website.
I'm a twenty-three-year-old male who is bi-curious/pan-curious/post-gender-curious. I have recently found myself attracted to penises, but I don't feel like I'm attracted to any specific men. If you showed me a cropped shot of a hard cock, I'd get aroused. If you showed me a picture of the whole guy, no arousal. Many of my friends are very into the post-gender/post-modern cultural-studies mind-set. In college, a time in my life when I felt no arousal looking at male genitalia, they mocked me for considering myself straight. I'm wondering if the disconnect of attraction toward the male sex organ but not men is the product of simply training myself to break down the assumed straightness I've spent most of my life living. I am fairly picky, but I meet many women I am attracted to. I really like the general idea of having sex with a guy, just not any specific one. Am I just trying to be a sexual tourist? Am I valuing queerness for the sake of it? Maybe my trepidation toward sex with a man is from the general societal constraints put on male-on-male loving?
— Cock Observer Laments Disconnect
Or maybe you're straight.
Lots of straight men like to look at cock, COLD, which is why there's so much cock on display in porn created by and for heterosexual men. Straight men can identify with those hard cocks and live vicariously through them. But very few straight guys — no truly straight guys, many straight guys would argue — make the leap from admiring and/or being vicariously aroused by cock to actually sitting on one and/or finding other men attractive.
Accept that you're straight, COLD, pursue the women you're attracted to, and stay the hell away from heterophobic post-gender/post-modern/pan-sexual cultural-studies majors whose immaturity, self-loathing, and anger all manifest in a refusal to accept that a good guy can also be a straight guy.
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Commentarium (41 Comments)
Re: IBS The height thing probably has to do with her size versus theirs. I'm sure you can try to picture a kitten humping a tiger and think about whether that tiger could give a darn or not. More than likely, the tiger is going to look bored or irritated. Fortunately, I'm sure these men know what they want and how they want it. Takes most of the guess work out of the presented scenario. i'd be more afraid to kiss them. That stubble and hardness of men, not for me. But I can certainly see the appeal for others.
Wow. Talk about a fucking freakshow this week. That breast milk thing was the most normal sounding thing out of all of these.
Yeah! And frankly the breast milk fetish didn't sound so weird to me and I'm a wife/mom.
Well uh, thanks for sharing miss.
Or that's saying something when a breast milk fetish, which is probably more common than we think, not my bag though, is the most normal sounding thing.
The answer to the third one was great. His friends sound like real douchefuckers.
The lack of transitions in a lot of letters make some great moments. Coincidentally, milk came out of my nose when I read, "My wife and I have been married for a few years and are expecting our first child. I'm really into the idea of being sprayed with my wife's breast milk."
I agree! You never know what's going to come next. Love it!
Google has failed me. Exactly what is a "seitan fetish"?
it's just humor. nothing to get excited about.
Well, nothing to get excited about, maybe, but humor? Nah.
i think dan just has a hate on for vegetarians. we all have something, we just don't have such public places for it to slip out. either that or he has a secret seitan fetish he's embarrased about. it's ok dan! embrace the dark side of the seitan
COLD's letter reminds me that we have very few real problems these days.
first world problems.
The phrase "post-gender-curious" made me actually laugh audibly. That letter almost read as a parody.
Honestly, once she's lactating...breasts tend to leak some during arousal and orgasm, anyway. It's not such a big deal. Just don't bite 'em, they start out kinda tender!
I DO think that a 3-some with the coworkers is a bad idea, tho. It can be hard to face a colleague after meaningless sex. And if they planned on pointing the penises the other way, why would they want her to join them?
Its only awkward if they make it awkward. If they were friends first I don't see why it would affect they're relationship after they have sex. And honestly, if it is kept lighthearted and they just have FUN, well, that's what its all about isn't it?
Fucking co-workers is never a good idea...strap on or not!
Wow, what a lengthy and in depth article but full of useful information
"remind them before you start not to point those things at you"
"Or maybe you're straight."
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Really, i was laughing my ass off... so funny!
I had a threesome with a coworker (who is six feet away at their desk while I type this) and it came out fine. Enter it with the right spirit of playfulness and all things will work out fine.
After I had my first child I sprayed breast milk all over the place every time I had an orgasm. There was nothing I could do to stop this from happening, aside from giving up orgasms. Whether IBS's wife thinks it's gross or not, she just might end up indulging is fetish anyway.
i'm a little surprised at this willingness to define what is and is not a "reasonable fetish."
... me too.
Agreed. It all probably changes with time.
I think he meant it not as a reasonable fetish to HAVE but a reasonable fetish to expect from a partner to indulge you in.
he's been quite consistent about his disapproval of beastiality because animals can't consent to sex.
COLD could just have some fun with a glory hole?
IBS - "I've been with men before, but I never really liked it" - and what would make this scenario more likeable exactly?
When "the titty fairy" first visited my pregnant A-cup wife, she was thrilled. And when she straddled me on top, at one point her milk squirted out and sprayed me right in the face. We laughed so hard we almost fell off the bed. I didn't develop a craving for breast milk, but it did taste sweet.
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