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I’m a twenty-three-year-old bi dude seeing a guy who is intelligent, sweet, attractive — the works. We’ve been together for six weeks. The problem is, after our first night together, I lost sexual interest in him. When I do get horny — which is rare at the moment due to work pressures — I prefer to beat off alone, because I can fantasize about some sort of transgression or other when I do it, e.g., having sex where I’m at risk of being discovered, rape fantasies, incest scenarios. Obviously, at some point I began associating “sexy” with “dangerous” and maybe “wrong.”

I want a serious relationship, but I’m tired of pretending and failing in bed because I’m just not into the sex. And, damnit, he’s cute and I should be able to get it up! What do I need to do? Two Guys, One Erection

SAVAGE LOVEHere’s an idea, TGOE: risk having the sex that turns you on — sexy, dangerous, and wrong — with this guy who turns you on. Fuck him in public, fuck him where you might be discovered, fuck him by simulated force. And whether you’re fucking at home or in public, TGOE, you’re free to fantasize that your no-relation boyfriend is your brother/nephew/uncle — or sister/niece/aunt — if that’s what it takes to get you off. (Whether it would be wise to tell him that you’re entertaining incest fantasies while you’re fucking him is another matter.)

And when you’re not having dangerous and/or wrong sex, TGOE, you can talk — talk dirty — about all the dangerous and/or wrong sex you’ve had with him already and plan to have with him in the future. Even if you’re fucking around under the covers at home with the door shut and the lights off, TGOE, you can tell him about how next time you’re going to fuck him so hard in a public place that the police are going to come running when they hear him scream because you’re both so dangerous and wrong and blah blah dirty talk blah.

But you’ll never get to a “two guys, two erections” place, TGOE, if you don’t risk sharing your real sexual fantasies and interests with this guy. Given a choice between hot sex with his boyfriend — which requires incorporating the boyfriend’s kinks — or boring sex that leaves you feeling unsatisfied and him feeling rejected, and eventually leads to the demise of this relationship, your boyfriend is likelier to choose hot sex.

The basics of my life: I’m male, straight, in my mid-twenties; I have a twin sister and have been with my girlfriend for three years. I want to break up with my girlfriend for a variety of reasons. I have begun the “it’s not working for me anymore” conversation four times. But each time I do, she brings up different sexual fantasies I have confided in her during our relationship. I believe the implication is that if I break up with her, she’ll tell people about my fantasies — one in particular.

AND THAT CANNOT HAPPEN UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!

The fantasy I am most worried about her revealing is incestuous in nature. When I was about fifteen, I — on occasion — used mental images of my sister to get off. I never had any romantic or sexual feelings toward her in real life — I was never attracted to her when she was physically present — and once I started sleeping with real girls, my fantasies about my sister ceased. One time, my girlfriend and I got stoned and discussed our most outrageous sexual fantasies; our relationship was different then, more trusting, and I told her about this stuff. I want out of the relationship, but I am terrified of what would happen if she told people, especially my sister. How can I exit this relationship, and how can I contain the damage if she decides to tell people my secret? And is it fucked up that I used to masturbate to thoughts about my twin?Freaking Fucked Or Fucking Freak?

SAVAGE LOVEI wish my boyfriend were as easy to manipulate as you seem to be — Jesus, the shit I could get away with.

Anyway, dumbfuck, unless you put your most outrageous sexual fantasies in writing — and hopefully you didn’t you’re not the one in real danger here. Your soon-to-be ex-girlfriend is. Here’s what you do: spend a week in front of a mirror perfecting a look of stunned incredulity, and then go break things off with your girlfriend. Make sure the actual split is big and messy and public. If she attempts to retaliate by telling people about your no-longer-operative sexual fantasies, FFOFF, you slap that looked of stunned incredulity on your face and say, “I knew we had a bad breakup, but, my God, what kind of sick piece of shit makes up something like that?”

Then just for the hell of it, FFOFF, confide in one or two friends that you’re not surprised your ex went there — that she tried to drag your sister into this — because she was always pressuring you about having a three-way with your sister, and that was one of the reasons you dumped her.

And yeah, FFOFF, masturbating to thoughts of a sibling is a little fucked-up. But it’s not uncommon for teenagers to fantasize — and, in some disturbing instances, to actualize — about their siblings. Sex can seem scary and new, while our siblings seem safe and familiar. For most people, those early and inappropriate fantasies quickly subside, as they did for you, and most people have the good sense to stuff ’em down the memory hole.

My boyfriend and I have been together for six months. He’s twenty-three and I’m twenty-two. He’s a virgin and I’m not. I’ve been very slow and patient about sex, and he’s responded really well. I’m GGG, and he’s gotten really good about taking initiative and suggesting things. We’ve done all the basic sex-without-actual-intercourse things — outercourse, fingering, oral — and we’re both very satisfied with our “not sex” life. Lately, the subject of anal intercourse has come up. I’ve never done it, but I am turned on by the idea, and he’s definitely up for it. What’s the problem then? The idea of our first real sex being anal bothers me. He pleases me, and his reasons for not having vaginal sex when we do so much else are at least somewhat logical (we’re both paranoid about pregnancy, even though I’m on birth control and we’d use condoms). But I worry that by having anal sex, I’ll delay the sex that I really want! Plus, I worry that by having exclusively anal sex now, he won’t be as turned on by the regular kind later.Stick It In Me Already

SAVAGE LOVEIf he’s not up for vaginal intercourse for religious and/or ridiculous reasons, SIIMA, that’s his call. If you’re not up for anal sex for whatever reason, that’s your call. He should support your decision, SIIMA, just as you’ve supported his.

And for the record: Neither of you are virgins. You have a little virgin territory left to explore — your vagina, your butt, his butt — but you’re both sexually active nonvirgins, and have been for months.

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Commentarium (21 Comments)

Mar 24 10 - 3:17am
nn

Counting down 'til the peeps start arguing over the definition of virginity again...

This time I support Savage.

Mar 24 10 - 4:27am
jeff

Virgin or not, the boyfriend is so gay.

Mar 24 10 - 6:26am
vee

Mr Savage's response to the second letter writer, the one who used to fantasise about his twin sister sexually has to be the most juvenile, irresponsible and ridiculous one I have heard him give. Encouraging the guy to lie, then spread rumours about his girlfriend. Yeah, she's a manipulative idiot, but he should grow a pair and dump her and take responsibility for his fantasy too. It's not the worst fantasy to have, and its unlikely she'll tell many people because she knows she'll look bad if she does: sour and jealous. Savage is encouraging this guy to come down to her level which is wrong. He should be encouraging him to deal maturely with the situation. Quite frankly if he is too weak to dump his girlfriend - scared she'll tell - then he is a sorry excuse for a grown up as it is. He deserves everything he gets if he doesn't stop playing victim.

Mar 24 10 - 8:51am
kw

No way, Dan is right on about the second letter writer. Anyone who would use a confidence to smear someone after a breakup--if in fact that is what she tries to do--deserves to be smeared as a creepy liar.

I'm not so sure about the "public" part, though. Their poor friends! A better way might be to confide in a few key (talkative) friends that you're planning a breakup based on her crazy obsession with your sister. Then pull the plug.

Mar 24 10 - 9:40am
Lulu

re: second letter
~sigh~ with the lying. So, I would say to FFoFF, it really depends on what you're already comfortable doing. If you're already a veteran liar to the people close to you, then I suppose Savage's advice might work. (Although, I'd avoid kw's shoot first variant.) But, if you don't typically lie to these people, you might want to notice that. I know that I'm a bad liar, and I can tell you the couple of times I've tried to finesse an awkward situation by lying, I felt pretty damn stupid by the end of it. Try to keep it simple, kiddo.

Mar 24 10 - 11:23am
Nate

"If she attempts to retaliate" is a key part of the second answer. If the girlfriend decided to go on the offensive, the advise simply shows how easy the defensive response would be. He didn't tell him to attack the ex for no reason!

Mar 24 10 - 12:50pm
vee

Still not buying it. Savage didn't see the big picture. As usual, he homes in on the sexual fantasy and not on the fact that both of the people in that relationship are fucked up. Both as bad as the other. Ergo - the first thing they should do is sort their heads out, apart and he should not indulge in tit for tat, under any circumstances. Even if she retaliates. Sorry, I'm standing by this. They both have the emotional capacity of children - Savage is overlooking that, as usual.

Mar 24 10 - 1:09pm
jc

I think the guy who used to fantasise about his twin sister is made-up, along with the 'problem' he has in dumping his girlfriend. NOBODY is that fucking gormless - are they? In the unlikely event it is a bona fide problem then having his fantasy leaked to the wider world is probably the best chance he's got out there. God knows he hasn't got anything else going for him.

Mar 24 10 - 3:16pm
WQ

I kind of like KW's idea of FFOFF being the one to break the news about old fantasies, rather than allowing his ex-GF to do so. Heck, maybe FF0FF's sister had the same ideas about him.

Mar 24 10 - 5:12pm
Phe

I think FFoFF should dump the GF already and if she tells his secret, laugh at her and her manipulative childishness. If someone asks him about he can give the time honored " I wont even entertain that " and keep it moving. Unless she can prove it as pure fact, she'd only be proving that she's immature.

Mar 24 10 - 7:20pm
rd

If they are young and she is the vengeful type- things could get really out of hand there. I have to agree with Dan - sometimes the high road is not the road to take. That being said, he should not launch the first attack. See what happens before starting defcon 1.

Mar 24 10 - 8:02pm
jaw

LW#2 needs to say if anyone brings up his fantasy is this..."Are you kidding me?! That would be like me fantasying about having sex with myself, and I just don't like myself (and in this case) my sister enough to even consider it. (laughing) But, you know it doesn't surprise me because she mentioned the my sister and I in a sexual context a few times and that is part of the reason I dumped her. She's a bit too much of the "freaky" for me!"

Over done!

Mar 26 10 - 5:04pm
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third letter: oh to be her next boyfriend/fuckbuddy in waiting.

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boy if i had a heart id by crying for you people ^^ dont do anything about breaking up with your girfriend dude heres what you do slowly turn the romantic relationship into a friend relationship that way when you do break up with here its ok for her and she wont tell anyone about your secret (to make her your friend treat her as such this includes no sex no touching no dirty talk and no kissing and other crap in a BF-GF relationship

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