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I am a girl who sabotaged my relationship. I was angry; I had complaints. But my real issue was a store of repressed childhood trauma, and I was working it out on the closest person to me, my BF. We had something magical, and I destroyed it. I am now willing to give 110 percent to fix it.

We no longer have sex. We are hardly on speaking terms. I know now that my relationship skills are stunted — more childhood baggage — but I want to save my relationship. Do you have any tips on initiating sex with someone who I have traumatized or on improving communication with someone who is so resentful? I am willing to give it time and effort, accept my faults, and breathe deeply rather than react in anger when we talk through things.Saboteur Addressing Dysfunctions

SAVAGE LOVEI'll get to your problem in a second, SAD. But first, a Savage Love programming note: I don't usually mention where I'm writing a particular column, because it doesn't really matter whether my computer is sitting on Ann Landers's desk or resting on Apolo Ohno's ass. (I will let you know when I am writing in a bar, though, because alcohol can impair an advice columnist's judgment, and advice seekers have a right to know when they're getting substandard counsel.)

I'm writing this column on an airplane, and I was totally in the zone when I noticed that the guy sitting next to me on this airplane was reading my laptop screen. So I wrote this: "HEY! YOU! YEAH, YOU! THE GUY SITTING NEXT TO ME ON DELTA 2360! STOP READING THIS SHIT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD!"

Sheesh. Some people.

Okay, SAD, on to your problem: unless your boyfriend is a weight bench or an exercise ball, you weren't "working it out" on him. You were taking it out on him. Now, maybe you've been led to believe — by your counselor, by Oprah, by some other idiot with an advice column — that you can just throw up your hands and say, "Childhood issues! Childhood baggage!" and everything will be magic again. Sorry, SAD, but sometimes the damage is too great. Your boyfriend won't speak to you? Won't fuck you?

Game over.

Accept that you — not your issues, not your baggage, but you yourself — screwed yourself out of a decent guy. End it officially, get your ass into counseling, and make a good-faith effort to resolve your issues and unpack your bags before you inflict yourself on some other dope. You don't have to be 100 percent healthy before you date — no one is 100 percent healthy — but you do have to be in relatively good working order, listing toward sanity, before you date again.

And what does the guy sitting next to me on this airplane think?

"I've dated girls like her," says TGSNTMOTA. "Daddy issues. She should get over her shit before she dates someone else, you know, but she probably won't. Girls like her never do. But maybe this one will, because you're pulling her up short. And she should move to an island — Hawaii, the Big Island — because being on an island can really help you work through your shit."

Thanks, TGSNTMOTA!

I am a leather Daddy living in a big city. A young man — early twenties, living in a small town — contacted me online and asked to be my boy. I declined, due to distance, but agreed to be his confidant and adviser.

The boy has one huge problem: he is in a long-term relationship with a vanilla boyfriend who has no interest in BDSM and vehemently opposes allowing him to explore with others. Presently, the boy goes to dungeon parties and plays with men behind his boyfriend's back. I feel very strongly that the boy should either come to an understanding with his boyfriend that allows him to explore or, if that isn't possible, break up with him so they can both find what they need.

I wouldn't ordinarily presume to know what's best for other people, but this boy is starving sexually, emotionally, and spiritually. But my conscience will not allow me to advise him on navigating the leather scene when I know he'll use this knowledge to cheat on his boyfriend. I don't think I can advise him further until he resolves the issue. Do you agree with the advice I've given this boy? Wanna Be A Good Influence

SAVAGE LOVEI agree with the advice you've given this boy — get the boyfriend's okay or get out — but this boy is already navigating the leather scene, WBAGI, and will continue to cheat on his boyfriend with or without your guidance.

So continue to serve as this boy's confidant and adviser, WBAGI, all the while pressing him to do the right thing and leave his boyfriend. And we both know that he needs to leave his boyfriend, WBAGI, not just get the boyfriend's permission to explore. If this boy's interest in BDSM is so strong that he's jumped into the deep end of the pool — i.e., dungeon parties — he'll never be happy with a vanilla monogamist who grudgingly allows him to play with other guys.

And what does the guy sitting next to me on this airplane think?

"The guy with the boyfriend should do what the other guy, the leather guy, says," says TGSNTMOTA. "Because the leather guy has a good head on his shoulders, and the guy with the boyfriend should listen to the leather guy and leave the other guy, the boyfriend guy, and see other guys."

Um… thanks, TGSNTMOTA!

I'm an eighteen-year-old hetero male college student. I'm in a relationship with an awesome girl. I'm dominant; she's submissive. I like name-calling; she likes being called names. Our libidos match, etc. There's only one thing I'm into that she isn't: watersports.

The idea of urinating on a girl turns me on. My fetish is by no means unusual, and I'm perfectly comfortable saying, "I'm into piss!" She, however, finds the idea unappealing, to say the least. I know that I'm young and have a long time to act on my fantasies, but this one seems like it will always be difficult. Do you think that, down the road, I will be able to find a girl who is willing to get pissed on? I Want To Pee On Someone

SAVAGE LOVEWatersports, for the kinkily inclined, is one of those things that can seem almost unspeakably perverse at eighteen and not that big a deal at twenty-eight. Don't do it first thing in the morning, and don't do it after chowing through a plate of asparagus. Do it after you've had a few beers and the piss is just so much warm — and sterile — water.

So relax, IWTPOS, because the odds that you'll be with this girl forever — remember, you're eighteen, she's eighteen — are slim, and the odds that you'll meet a girl at some point who's either into it or can be talked into it are high.

And what does the guy sitting next to me on this airplane — a very nice-if-nosey thirtysomething dude from Lubbock, Texas — think?

"I have a thing for girls peeing on me," TGSNTMOTA whispered to me. "Because it's like a sort of 'female ejaculation' thing. I met girls on the Big Island who were into it, clear and nice, and —"

Okay, TGSNTMOTA, thanks for sharing and — hey — it looks like we're getting ready to land, so… thanks for playing Savage Love.

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Commentarium (20 Comments)

Mar 10 10 - 1:17am
sigma83

The TGSNTMOTA addition is pretty funny. Keep it up!

Mar 10 10 - 2:19am
RevTen

Maybe Vic T can be the term as opposed to the last name alone.Maybe it can be bareback ass fucking with menthol vicks vapor rub?

Mar 10 10 - 9:30am
Jenkins

Come on SAD... who didn't have a fucked up childhood. We could all blame everything on trauma. I'm not sure if WBAGI should advise the guy to break up with his boyfriend... could be something he regrets if the BDSM thing is just a passing kink.

Mar 10 10 - 10:09am
BB

Perhaps Dan was a little harsh on SAD. She does seem to be owning her behaviour after all - 'I destroyed it' - which I would say goes some way to indicatng she indeed tilts towards sanity. Childhood trauma huh. It's a tricky one, and it never ceases to amaze me how some people feel that everyone has/should have the same ability when it comes to dealing with it. We all process and recover from trauma differently, some of us not at all if it is too ground in. It sucks for other people, but it sucks most of all for the sufferer of that trauma. Go easy on SAD. She's lost her man already and she knows why. Kindness might have been in order.

Mar 10 10 - 10:34am
Dan Abrams

I think I've dated SAD. Many times.

Mar 10 10 - 11:18am
Matthew

Dan,
I love you. I only wish everyone would have their head screwed on straight like you. Oh wait... Scratch that. If everyone was OK we wouldn't hear from you. Keep up the awesome work and by the way I laughed out loud when you asked TGSNTMOTA to join you in giving advice. That was total genius.

Mar 10 10 - 11:24am
Lulu

@BB
>> Perhaps Dan was a little harsh on SAD... She’s lost her man already and she knows why.
Perhaps. But she didn't sound like she was aware she'd already lost him. She sounded like someone who thought she was _about_ to lose him. That's a classic abuser cycle. Treat someone bad, realize it's about to go nova, be scared into temporary improvements, fall back into habitual behaviors, repeat ad nauseum. I don't think a sugar-coating here would really be all that much of a kindness. Certainly not to the boyfriend.

Mar 10 10 - 12:35pm
jacki

Hey Dan, shut up. Girls with daddy issues "never get over it." Why even include such a biased comment, even if it didn't come from the horse's mouth?
I, for one, had and STILL HAVE "daddy issues," have been going to counseling for it for about 8 months now. oh, my God, I'm so damaged, so beyond repair... I'll never be whole!
But, a straightforward question: How are you supposed to completely "get over" conditioned abandonment? Can I ask you that, expert? That's something that you deal with for a lifetime, no matter how you cut it. So many people struggle every day to live with, and cope with, that pain. you're not helping anything. You just come off as arrogant and oblivious to the real issue.
Also, how is the BF completely innocent in all of this? He could have said, look, I've tried to be there for you but there are things I can't help you with. He could have left. Nobody is begging to be mistreated. It doesn't make what she did right, but seriously, you are completely wrong on this one. Completely wrong.

Mar 10 10 - 12:50pm
M. W.

You may never get over your "daddy issues," Jacki, but what you're supposed to learn in therapy is how to not take it out on people who aren't, well, your daddy.

Mar 10 10 - 1:01pm
rt

@lulu - for crying out loud give the girl a break ' classic abuser cycle' What the fuck? What, in any of what she wrote to Dan could categorise her as a 'classic abuser'? Unless by that you mean she is damaged and struggles with not bringing her baggage into a relationship. Oh boo hoo for the boyfriend. He'll get over it. She's the one who has the real dark stuff ot deal with. Compassion anyone? Any of you smug know-it-all therapy jargon spouting idiots? I think Dan is normally great with his advice. I do not agree on this one. I think that's because it is subject (ie. not sex) that he knows very little about, except to quickly dredge up a few lame articles from the internet probably. It's like someone telling a depressive to pull themselves together. He didn't even mention counselling or therapy or offer up a link once. I am disappointed in him. Lazy.

Mar 10 10 - 3:45pm
Lulu

@rt
>> He didn’t even mention counselling or therapy..
Dan said, above: "End it officially, get your ass into counseling,"
Are we reading the same post?

As for the classic abuser terminology, perhaps I should clarify. I can come up with more than one instance of people I've run into who treated their partners badly (although not necessarily physically or sexually violently) who fell into this pattern, of noticing something was wrong, making a case for fixing the relationship, and then because it's easy to do, falling back into bad habits. It's classic, because... it's easy to fall back into bad habits, and people do it alot. Sometimes the bad habit isn't a big deal. Sometimes it's abusive.

All we know about this girl and her boy, is that she thinks she treated him badly enough that they're not speaking or physically intimate. This covers a host of ills which could include actual verbal or emotional abuse. She seems to think that if she just behaves better now, that everything will work out. And I suppose this in theory possible. However, some bad behaviors are not forgiveable, and some relationships aren't fixable. I think Dan's advice that she not expect this to work out, but rather focus on improving herself sans relationship is perfectly reasonable. Whether they'll do that, is of course, up to her and her guy.

Mar 10 10 - 5:33pm
Michael

I think TGSNTMOTA's opinion should be a regular addition.

Mar 10 10 - 7:45pm
Phe

Ummm Dear abuser apologists: she says BLATANTLY in her letter that she has traumatized him. I'm almost afraid to know what someone means when they say that they've traumatized someone else and they are being serious about it.

Mar 10 10 - 8:32pm
Jenkins

Oh, come on! Dan was completely right on this. Every one of us has past trauma of a sort. Treating your partner unfairly and then passing the buck on to father-dearest isn't right. Like Dan said, she needs to accept what she did, get counselling so she can function a little better, and move on. We could all cry 'Daddy!' when we do something wrong, but it doesn't afford you the right to hurt someone. The fact that SAD even tries to excuse her behaviour by bringing up childhood trauma only highlights an incredibly selfish quality in her. Are we all assuming the boyfriend grew up with the Jones'?

Mar 10 10 - 8:37pm
nn

Yes, we all have childhood trauma. But we do NOT all have equal amounts of it. And I think anyone who says we all have it so no one should complain about it has probably lived a pretty fucking sheltered existance.

Mar 10 10 - 8:47pm
Dee

"Traumatized" to me says "serious issues".

Mar 10 10 - 9:14pm
Jenkins

@nn - Well we're not here to talk about everyone's issues... but assumptions like that are never good are they? My point is that if everyone went around claiming trauma as an excuse for cruelty, the world would be even worse than it is. Complaining about it is one thing... making someone's life far worse because of it is another. If someone threw wasabi in your hair in a sushi restaurant, for example, then told you it was a result of trauma, would you forget about the horseradish in your hair? If you think that's a good way to go about things, fair play, but I'm not so into that.

@Dee - Who doesn't have 'serious issues'?

Mar 10 10 - 10:51pm
@Jenkins

But that's not what usually happens. When someone hurts someone else because of "trauma" it usually (not always, but in cases like this) usually mean that they did something stupid and/or irrational out of insecurity and fear. It's not like they were wanting to brutalize the other person, it's like they were wanting to protect themselves from the other person, whom for whatever reason they at one point perceived as a threat. The psychology is pretty complicated.

Mar 11 10 - 5:12am
sadie

@lulu - hey, it must be nice living up on that moral high ground of yours. Nice to be so black and white about an area of emotional health that is so complicated and individual to all its sufferers. The fact that the girl wrote in is a start. She says she 'destroyed' the relationship. I'd say that is her taking responsibility. She wants to help herself and the man she has hurt, and has been honest about her feelings and her skewed motivation at times. Childhood trauma can be anything from rape and abuse as a four year old, to the death of your grandma when you're six. In other words, it is massively varied. Severely damaged people often can not attempt to seek help. This girl has been brave in admitting to herself that she has a problem. She needs kindness not vitriol from those more fortunate than herself.

Sep 07 11 - 6:21am
Cialis Rezeptfrei

e2dQ0g Can be also this issue because the truth can be achieved only in a dispute :)))

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