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My wife and I have a girlfriend. Do we have to tell our families?
By Dan Savage
I have a bit of a situation. I'm a twenty-three-year-old heterosexual male, and I am married. My wife and I also happen to have a girlfriend now, making our arrangement a polyamorous triad. We all love each other very much, and we are getting to the point that we are thinking about how we are going to tell our parents about our relationship.
My parents have already been told. Their reactions were as expected: my mother was slightly bemused and amazed that I was able to pull it off, while my father gave me a high-five. But my parents are divorced/remarried-to-other-people atheists, and by the time I was twelve, my dad was teaching me how to eat pussy. So my situation is not exactly typical.
My wife's family is super Southern Baptist, while our girlfriend's mother is a big ol' bag of crazy: she was a physically abusive nut-job who beat her children with a Bible attached to a rope.
Our question is this: should we even bother disclosing to either of their sets of Bible-beating parents? To give you an even better idea about who my mother-in-law is: I'm a recovering addict (two years sober), and after I told her that in confidence, she used it against me the first chance she got (called me a thieving junkie). She's a hypocritical, judgmental bitch, but my wife feels like she needs her approval.
If we shouldn't disclose, then how do we deal with things like family holidays and other group events? Is not disclosing a sign that either my wife or girlfriend is ashamed of the life we lead? Your help would be appreciated.
Not Telling The Whole Truth
You don't mention how long you've been in this poly triad, NTTWT, but seeing as you're only twenty-three and were already married before you met the girlfriend, you can't have been in this poly triad for very long. And while it's nice that you have such an open and honest relationship with your parents — perhaps a little too open (I'd like to take this opportunity to thank my father for not teaching me how to eat pussy when I was twelve) — your wife and your girlfriend aren't similarly blessed.
For that reason, I'm gonna advise against disclosing the true nature of your relationship(s) for the time being, NTTWT. Not because you have anything to be ashamed of — you most certainly do not — but because relationships with parents are best run on a need-to-know basis.
And it doesn't sound like your wife's parents need to know — not yet. This triad is new, and like most romantic relationships, it may not stand the test of time. For the moment, introduce your girlfriend as a friend; if your MIL is curious about why you're all living together, say something vague about the economy. If it turns out that your triad is one for the ages, NTTWT, then you can come out to your MIL and weather the judgmental shitstorm.
As for the girlfriend's mother, NTTWT, it doesn't sound like that woman has a right to know anything about her daughter's life.
All that said, NTTWT, I do think loving, committed nonmonogamous couples should be open with their families, if only to prove to people that loving, committed nonmonogamous couples exist. I'm not encouraging you to be closeted, just strategic. Your wife's family is more likely to be accepting if they perceive your marriage as not just loving, but lasting. Give it a few years, NTTWT, and then, whether the current girlfriend is still in the picture or not, your wife can let her mother know — as matter-of-factly as possible — that you're poly.
What do you know about orgasm denial for men? My husband is asking me to try all kinds of crazy things like locking him in a chastity device and denying him orgasms until he begs. Is that safe? Do many couples do it? I admit I find it kind of sexy, but how in the world do I figure out how to do it and make it fun for him?
Wants Info For Erotics
Except in the most extreme cases, WIFE, male chastity play isn't really about orgasm denial. It's more of an elaborate, extended kind of foreplay, a way of introducing elements of erotic power and control that usually result in the denied/chaste man having more orgasms, not fewer.
There's no way of knowing how many wives out there are locking up their husbands' dicks, WIFE, but there are enough couples doing it to keep male-chastity-device manufacturers in business (www.cb-6000.com) and enough couples interested in male chastity play for publishers to bring out books that explain how to do it and how to make it pleasurable (Male Chastity: A Guide for Keyholders by Lucy Fairbourne, Be Careful What You Wish For…: The Ultimate Guide to Male Chastity by Sarah Jameson).
As for safety: make sure you get a male chastity device that fits properly, WIFE, as you don't want his dick to go numb, develop gangrene, and fall off — that would be nullification, not chastity. And don't deny your husband orgasms for weeks or months on end, as that could elevate his risk for developing prostate cancer (his orgasms flush carcinogens from his prostate).
I'm a guy in my late thirties and have been married for twelve mostly happy years, with three kids. I've never cheated, despite a boring sex life that I've tried to spice up. My efforts were not received well. We've talked at length about the frequency and style of our sex life, but she's not interested in having sex very often, and when she is, it only happens one of two ways. I've thought about having sex with other women but have never acted on any of the opportunities that came my way. I've jerked off to plenty of porn in the meantime, though.
Anyway, I meet a girl, we're attracted to each other, and we decide to go for it. No, my wife does not know. Yes, I'm an asshole. And the problem is, suddenly I can't get it up — for either of them! Neither my hand nor porn work, either. WTF? I have NEVER had this problem. It's been three attempts — patient girl, huh? — and so far nothing. I can't tell if this is guilt, performance anxiety, or what. Have my wife, porn, and my hand ruined me for having sex with other women? Do you have any suggestions? I doubt it's medical, since the onset occurred precisely when this girl and I decided to have sex, and that would be far too much of a coincidence.
No Catchy Sign-Off
I'm thinking either it's guilt plus performance anxiety — guilt-induced performance anxiety — or it's a huge and highly unlikely coincidence. A medical checkup can rule out the latter, NCSO, but only a thorough examination of your feelings, your motives, and your circumstances can help the former.
You've taken a huge and potentially very consequential step: you're gonna cheat on the wife (three attempts? you're already cheating on the wife), NCSO, and if the wife finds out — and that's a pretty small if — that could mean divorce. (It shouldn't mean divorce, in my opinion, but it usually does.) Seeing as the potential consequences for you, your wife, and your kids are so dire that you've been struck bonerless, I would advise you to stop seeing the patient girl... for now.
You're going to have to — sorry! — talk to the wife about your frustrations and the possibility of opening up your marriage. Because the only way your dick is going to work with other women, NCSO, is if you're not risking everything with it.
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Commentarium (20 Comments)
I love you Dan- I have been reading advice columns since I was a kid, and you always manage to hit a balance of good guidance and entertainmant. Thank you !
"while my father gave me a high-five". Funniest thing i read all day. :)
the first letter is a fake.
your mom is a fake.
Really, it's not anyone else's business if the three of you are contented, emotionally and physically satisfied and comfortable with the arrangement.
I had the same experience as NCSO when i began cheating. Our stories are very similar. The thing that 'cured' me was time, patience, and oral sex. The first few times I was with a new woman, I simply couldn't get it up until she sucked it to life. After the initial nervousness wears off, the comfort level increases and you can achieve and maintain with relative ease.
Total fake first letter.
the first letter is probably not fake, it's probably just leaving out that the combined weight of the trio is 800 pounds and they met through their world of warcraft guild
i get 'guilt induced performance anxiety' as well. glad to know i'm not the only one. in my case. it's when i'm in open situations and if i don't disclose my open status to one party (especially if they have mixed feelings about poly situations) -makes me feel like i'm cheating even if it is casual and i'm attracted as hell to the person i'm with. i think comfort level increasing and patience on the part of the partners helps. it's complicated psychology.
Cheating is sad. If you're married, and you've seen kids burst out of your wife, I'd think you could fess up to her about your needs and make her aware of the real consequences of your blasé sex life. Your dick is telling you something.
As someone else who is in a polyamorous relationship (a quad, specifically) I see no reason to believe the first letter is fake. These things are more common than you guys think.
There's no reason to share the relationship if you think it'll end in grief, NTTWT. As Dan says; parents are best on a need-to-know.
Lezley's comment is a knee slapper! LMAO!
shouldn't mean divorce? stop spattering your overly liberal opinions over the net
Great questions, and as always, AWESOME advice all the way around. :)
Harry - why on earth would you read Dan's columns if you don't like his "overly liberal opinions"? Troll!
Blah, what are you talking about? Do you even read ?
lezley, you make laugh out loud. Very, very funny.
"No, my wife does not know. Yes, I'm an asshole. And the problem is, suddenly I can't get it up — for either of them! Neither my hand nor porn work, either."
I laaaughed and laaaughed and laaaughed! Poor Babes can't get it up.
ZYguVG This article is for professionals!!!