Rabbi Robert Barr, 56

www.ourjewishcommunity.org

What's your relationship status?
I'm married, but I don't talk about my marriage publicly. That's the deal I made with my wife thirty years ago.

Were you already a rabbi when you got married?
We got married when I was in rabbinical school. I've been a controversial figure over the years. It's one thing for people to call me up and yell at me about it, but she shouldn't have to go through that.

Is it harder to date after you've already been ordained vs. when you're in rabbinical school?
I'm not sure. When I was ordained, it was still mostly men. There weren't really second-career rabbis, either. Times were different, too. Back then, people went to college and often got married in graduate school. Now people wait longer. Both partners have careers. It's more complicated.

Surely there have always been people uncomfortable with the idea of dating a rabbi, though.
Right. Because we're holy? It's bizarre. It's sad that the notion of a religious person is an ascetic. Rabbis are regular people, but they're in public professions. People have this idea that a rabbi's personal life is different from any other person's personal life. It's really not the case.

Why are rabbis better lovers?
Because they're perfect! That was a joke. One would hope people who go into the clergy are self-reflective and able to listen and empathize. A person like that will probably do better in a relationship. That being said, lots of people could have these skills.

What do you think is the best piece of relationship advice from the Torah?
Don't read it. It's the myths and legends of our people. The relationships in it were defined by incredible sexism and homophobia. We've evolved from this.

My boyfriend's Jewish, and I'm a gentile. I'm not particularly religious, but he says he wants to have a Jewish family with a Jewish woman. We love each other and aren't thinking about marriage at this point, but are we wasting each other's time?
I would ask this girl why she's dating this guy. I find his comment offensive. If he wants a Jewish woman, why isn't he dating one? If a woman is okay to date, how could she not be okay to consider marrying? He could ask if she's willing to adopt Judaism, but saying she'll never be acceptable to him is inappropriate. She deserves better.

I've recently started dating this guy, but there's one problem: I've led him to believe that I'm way more sexually experienced than I actually am. How do I come clean without him thinking he can't trust me?
It's time to take a step back and say, "I think I misled you, and I'm sorry…" If this person wasn't being manipulative, then it's fine to explain that this is a highly sexualized world. We think there are these expectations of our experiences, and it's not fair.

What about the opposite — what about lying and saying you're less sexually experienced that you actually are?
People don't tell the truth about these things, because they're embarrassed. Good relationships are built on honesty, and it's best to be honest from the beginning. I'd clear up any misgivings right away.

Should you share the number of partners you've had?
What does the number even mean? Is it vaginal sex? What about oral or anal sex? What about having an emotional relationship? I find conversations like this almost juvenile, because they reduce relationships in this competitive way. There's no emotional context. You don't need to share a number, but you should be open about your experiences and emotional context.

I love everything about the man I'm dating except having sex with him. We're just not that sexually compatible. We've been together a long time, but I know I've had better sex with other partners. Is this a dealbreaker?
Sex is not separate and distinct from the relationship. I'd ask if there's something else in the relationship preventing good sex. Or if someone is afraid to say, "This is what I'd like. This is what feels good to me." That needs to be an ongoing conversation. As much as we live in a sexualized world and think we've moved past this, it can still be really difficult to honestly talk about sex with our partners.

You know, my editor was wondering if I'd have the chutzpah to ask a rabbi about anal sex…
People have used all the orifices of the body to enjoy pleasure, and I think that's a wonderful thing. I think people still view anal sex with a certain lens of homophobia. We shouldn't suggest that some form of sex is better or more acceptable than any other form of sex. My concern is that people don't do a good job talking about the implications of sexual behavior. People need to be safe.

Commentarium (55 Comments)

Sep 28 11 - 1:02am
sb

I would love to join Rabbi Marci's congregation. She has great advice and seems like a deeply thoughtful person, as a rabbi should be

Sep 28 11 - 10:48am
Rabbi Bellows

Thanks! So nice of you to say - you're always invited :)

Sep 28 11 - 1:51am
jcb

Rabbi Barr won me over with his answer to the Jewish-guy-will-only-marry-Jewish-woman-but-talking-marriage-with-gentile-girlfriend question. Love the no bullshit advice!

Sep 28 11 - 10:48am
Ya

+1

Sep 28 11 - 2:45am
l

wow.....rabbi advice = win

Oct 01 11 - 2:42pm
Kat

For sure.

Oct 03 11 - 1:46pm
..::bEEp::..

Rabbits give excellent advice. What did you expect?

Sep 28 11 - 10:19am
Doofus

What kind of rabbi says don't read the Torah? For fuck's sake, without the book, Jews would just be gentiles with slight genetic propensities for curly hair.

Sep 28 11 - 10:35am
dave1976

I think he meant don't read it for sex/relationship advice. At least that's how I interpreted his response.

Sep 28 11 - 10:37am
read clearly

He said don't read it FOR RELATIONSHIP ADVICE. And honestly, that was the best answer of the whole piece.

Sep 28 11 - 10:38am
@Doofus

I'd imagine the rabbi who recognizes that spiritual and cultural well-being might come from a different source than relationship/sexual well-being.

Sep 28 11 - 10:47am
Gee

Jewish culture > important then the damn torah
The best things that came of my religion has been created by secular artists.
Also thanks to read clearly. It WAS the best answer in this whole article.
Also loved his answer about the mixed couple's situation. Why bother swimming in the shiksa pool, just to 'have fun' before you settle for a Jewish girl?

Sep 28 11 - 2:37pm
Doofus

Any Jew who can't read the Torah to find some wisdom that applies to their current situation get their foreskins back. The whole point of talmudic study and is to argue with G-d's law and get your own way.

Sep 28 11 - 3:56pm
Varlotte

You can't really apply the Torah to your own life the way you can with the Qur'an, and it (thank Shechina) isn't as overtly didactic as parables. I think you get more out of say, the Midrashim, or more of our cultural writings. Hell, I got more real-world "advice" out of the Zohar and Maimonides than the straight-up Torah. The male rabbi's response was overly glib, but really true. It's good to look at to say "this is where we came from" but if you take it as the be-all-and-end-all of the faith, then you're no better than a dogmatic redneck Christian. We are Jews, and therefore somewhat smarter than that.

Sep 28 11 - 10:51am
moops

Way to support the stereotype that Jews are thoughtful, insightful, and humorous!

Sep 28 11 - 10:58am
Amanda Green

Moops, you're so right! These rabbis were some of my favorite interview subjects ever.

Sep 28 11 - 1:57pm
nope

Haha, agreed.

Oct 03 11 - 7:00pm
SW

Agreed!

Sep 28 11 - 11:20am
Ta

Definitely have been waiting for this one. Worth the wait, they were fantastic.

Sep 28 11 - 12:11pm
G

Imams next!

Sep 28 11 - 12:42pm
GeeBee

Good idea.

Sep 28 11 - 1:47pm
Agreed

All faith leaders should be included! That would make for very interesting and insightful columns.

Sep 28 11 - 1:56pm
Fig

Be patient! Others will come!

Sep 28 11 - 1:59pm
Gee

Really? Imams are fine, but I honestly would rather NOT hear sex advice from some conservative catholic priest.
Besides, what is wrong with having a article with JUST rabbis!? I do not mean to play the "J" card here, but I kinda smell some subtle anti-semetism....

Sep 28 11 - 3:35pm
Joe

Can we do Buddhist priests too? I was raised Buddhist and it worked out pretty well for me.

Sep 28 11 - 2:30pm
katie

this isn't a religious site, and yeah, these are very open-minded rabbis. not all rabbis would be. I don't want sex advice from a priest, but I do love this piece.

Sep 28 11 - 3:41pm
moops

I wonder what an Orthodox rabbi would say...

Sep 28 11 - 3:57pm
Varlotte

"sexy sexy ankles.
never show them."

Sep 28 11 - 2:32pm
Kel

Sounds like all the sexually-repressed Christians and sexually-abused Catholics should head for their nearest synagogue, where thecongregants celebrate life, love and respect for everybody.

Sep 28 11 - 3:58pm
Varlotte

That's probably sarcastic, but basically I'd recommend it. Despite our occasional forays into being consumerist toolbags, most non-orthodox Jews don't slut-shame, judge, or preach, which I love.

Sep 28 11 - 3:24pm
s

I like Rabbi Barr! His answer to the gentile dating the Jew who has to marry a Jew was especially good. Not everyone dates to marry, but clearly the couple in question has discussed it, and the girl has found out that she merely represents youthful experimentation for him, which should piss her off.

Sep 28 11 - 3:36pm
michele

Christian hating! Yay! It solves all problems and doesn't look hypocritical at all!

Sep 28 11 - 3:42pm
@michele

huh? wha... the only thing that sorta would count would be Kel's comment, but other than that, the interviews and other comments so far contain no Christian bashing. spell out the hypocrisy for me because I don't see it...

Sep 28 11 - 3:59pm
Varlotte

Clearly @michele went to a Bachmann/Palin double feature and missed this actual article.

Sep 28 11 - 11:33pm
TAK

Or she might have been responding to your previous comment: "you're no better than a dogmatic redneck Christian. We are Jews, and therefore somewhat smarter than that."

That said, I really enjoyed the rabbis comments, especially from one and three. But that preference is only because my cousin's wife is a rabbi and I appreciate the insight when it comes to what their courtship must've been like (we don't get into that level of detail because of our age gap). All of their answers were insightful and delightful.

Sep 29 11 - 1:27am
@TAK

michele posted her comment before Varlotte made all of hers

Oct 04 11 - 3:11pm
@TAK

I'm Riiiiight.

Oct 04 11 - 3:11pm
@michele

So am I!

Sep 28 11 - 4:49pm
AAC

What a nice trio! It's hard for me to imagine why anyone on JDate would be put off by the idea of dating a rabbi -- especially the two single women in this piece, who are both attractive and seem quite intelligent and level-headed (I omit Rabbi Barr because he's married, but he seems like a cool guy).

(I say "anyone on JDate", BTW, because this agnostic Gentile could never convert with sincerity. I wouldn't hesitate to marry a practicing Reform Jew, though having kids could bring up some complicated issues.)

Maybe there's an assumption that dating a rabbi would have to be "heavy", i.e. marriage-minded, from the get-go? Or that premarital sex would be off the table? Anyway, it's hard for me to reconcile the apparent dating difficulties that smart/strong women have, vs. the fact that just about every single male friend I have is looking for a smart/strong woman. Maybe I just have weird friends.

Sep 28 11 - 5:34pm
Marc

I am attracted to strong (not domineering, just strong), successful women of varying career types. That being said, even as a Jew, I wouldn't be comfortable dating a female Rabbi. It just doesn't feel right, has nothing to do with her being strong. I think if you are going to be open about being a Rabbi, you might in the same breath communicate what your expectations are/aren't for your partners. Hell, if this is JDate, you can copy/paste this into your profile or into emails. It isn't just intimidating, it also feels wrong for some reason. Wish I could be more specific, but I'm just trying to highlight a natural reaction males might be having that you might need to address before they react-without-words. Put another way, you might need to do some educating upfront about what you're being a Rabbi, means for him.

Sep 28 11 - 6:06pm
AAC

Marc, if you're up for it, it'd actually be really interesting to read more about your instinctive response. Is it an authority-figure thing? A representative of G-d on Earth thing? A sacred-vs.-profane thing?

I'll admit, at first blush it's hard for me to imagine having enthusiastically down-and-dirty sex with a female clergyperson...but these Reform rabbis, at least, seem comfortable embracing the body's capacity for pleasure, and emancipating their congregants from any attached guilt. If that translates to the bedroom? Would that we were all so lucky!

Sep 29 11 - 6:35am
@Marc

"you might need to do some educating upfront about what you're being a Rabbi, means for him." Women become Rabbis for the same reason that men do=because they want to lead and help a congregation! You claim to be kosher, to like strong women, but you sure sound like a sexist pig to me! How are women who happen to be rabbis different from any other women?

Sep 29 11 - 10:34am
AAC

Eh, ease up on the sexism charges, they're not helpful. Dating an authority figure and/or a public figure is complicated even at the best of times, and sex/gender is part of that equation. Women who happen to be rabbis ARE different, like men who happen to be law enforcement officers or women who happen to be CEOs or men who happen to be celebrities. (Maybe it's easier for men, but that's also because many women are attracted to power, and that attraction -- that gender role expectation, that a man SHOULD be powerful and in control -- is no less sexist.)

Oct 04 11 - 3:10pm
@Marc

I'm a troll called "Riiiight".

Sep 28 11 - 6:13pm
Go

Rabbi Barr ... wouldn't mind meeting a man like him!

Sep 28 11 - 9:00pm
Mark

Disappointing article.
Only reason I got here was because I mis-read the tweet link as 'sex advice from rabbits'.

Sep 28 11 - 11:56pm
katie

Oy!

Sep 29 11 - 8:04pm
S.S.

L'Shana Tova:)

Sep 30 11 - 3:25pm
R H

Happy 5772 to all the Nervers.

Sep 30 11 - 6:02pm
pf

A sweet new year to each of you! Have some apple dipped in honey. That's how sweet the year should be/ will be for you.

Oct 01 11 - 2:41pm
Kat

This is my favorite sex advice article of all time. I love it! The rabbis interviewed were wonderful.

Oct 02 11 - 1:43am
AT

Rabbi Barr doesn't even look 40 in that picture. I really dig his viewpoint and would love to know more about his skincare routine.

Oct 03 11 - 5:05pm
Jux

I think Rabbi Bellows would get more action if she took off the tallis and wore something to show off her g-d given assets.

Oct 04 11 - 11:37am
SRN

Holy crap, I thought it said RABBITS.

Oct 23 11 - 7:38pm
zalel

I had a MAJOR crush on a women's studies/reli-stu major who was considering rabinnical school. I used to fantasize about... our matrimonial life, and what scared me was about having to be the rebbitsin -- or whatever the male vesrions is called -- because I have a big mouth, and I knew I'd have to keep it shut outside of the house.

Otherwise, just life with another smart strong gorgeous Jewish girl from NY...