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Rabbi Laura Baum, 32
What's your relationship status?
I'm single.
What's it like to date a rabbi?
Some people are intimidated by it, some think it's cool, and some are neutral. I know I'm just a normal person, but some people don't see that. They think I read the Torah all day. They're surprised I watch 30 Rock and liked The Hangover. Sometimes when I'm out, I tell people and they go, "Oh, I didn't know women could be rabbis." Or, "Oh, I didn't know rabbis could drink beer." Or, "I didn't know rabbis could date." But what they're basically saying is, "I didn't know rabbis could have sex."
So you'd say most single rabbis have had pre-marital sex?
I would say yes in the liberal Jewish community. It's probably about the same as in the general population. Judaism isn't a religion where people think sex is bad or unnatural.
Do you think the dating scene is different for male rabbis vs. female rabbis?
I do. The wife of a male rabbi is traditionally called a rebbetzin, which is historically someone who bakes cookies for the synagogue and takes care of everyone. Obviously, that's changed. Not all women who marry rabbis are like that now. But a lot of men don't know how to think of themselves in that role. Some male rabbis really want to be with women who want to be with rabbis, if that makes sense. They want someone to really be into the Jewish community, but that's not necessarily what I'm looking for. I just want to be with someone who's supportive and okay with me being a rabbi.
Do rabbis ever get together?
You see that a lot. But that has its challenges, too. A couple has to find two rabbinic jobs in the same city. If you both work in a congregation, then you don't really get to spend holidays together.
Why are rabbis better lovers?
Well, I certainly wouldn't say that's true of all rabbis. I represent a more liberal branch of Judaism, so I'd say rabbis are open-minded. Rabbis also understand a lot about relationships.
My boyfriend's Jewish, and I'm a gentile. I'm not particularly religious, but he says he wants to have a Jewish family with a Jewish woman. We love each other and aren't thinking about marriage at this point, but are we wasting each other's time?
I don't think you're wasting each other's time, as long as you're both open with each other. In this case, it sounds like no one's being misled. If both partners can enjoy the relationship now for that it is, then that's great. When one person's ready to transition to something long-term and they agree it's not going to work, then it's time to end the relationship. I also know that views about this sort of thing change a lot. The important thing is to talk about it.
My girlfriend says her mom is her best friend and tells her super-intimate details about our relationship. I've asked my girlfriend not to share so much — especially after her mom has brought certain issues up with me — but she says this is just the way things are. How should I deal with my girlfriend's meddling mom?
Oy. I can see why it would make someone uncomfortable. The first step is to express to the girlfriend that it bothers you. If she's not going to change it, that's not a relationship that should continue. A couple has to agree on boundaries.
Do you see a lot of these cases of the stereotypical Jewish mother in your work?
I can't say that I do. Lots of moms are really good at meddling and guilt. We don't have the monopoly on it.
I love everything about the man I'm dating except having sex with him. We're just not that sexually compatible. We've been together a long time, but I know I've had better sex with other partners. Is this a dealbreaker?
First of all, I'd encourage you to explore whether this is really about the sex or something else. Perhaps this couple needs to get help together through a counselor or sex therapist. You can't get everything you need from your partner. Some provide better sex; some provide better friendship. What do you want from your partner? How important is sex with this partner? Could you potentially be with your partner and find sexual fulfillment elsewhere?
Nearly six months ago, I broke up with my girlfriend, who had previously been my long-term platonic best friend. In hindsight, I wish we'd never dated, because now everything's awkward and we don't speak. How can we rebuild our friendship?
I would hope that it's possible to rebuild a friendship, but it's difficult. Once you move a relationship from platonic to intimate, it inherently changes the relationship. I don't think you can ever go back to where you were before. You can't recreate the friendship from the past, but you can try to rekindle something. It could take years, and some topics of conversation should probably remain off-limits. Your ex doesn't want to hear about your dates.







Commentarium (55 Comments)
I would love to join Rabbi Marci's congregation. She has great advice and seems like a deeply thoughtful person, as a rabbi should be
Thanks! So nice of you to say - you're always invited :)
Rabbi Barr won me over with his answer to the Jewish-guy-will-only-marry-Jewish-woman-but-talking-marriage-with-gentile-girlfriend question. Love the no bullshit advice!
+1
wow.....rabbi advice = win
For sure.
Rabbits give excellent advice. What did you expect?
What kind of rabbi says don't read the Torah? For fuck's sake, without the book, Jews would just be gentiles with slight genetic propensities for curly hair.
I think he meant don't read it for sex/relationship advice. At least that's how I interpreted his response.
He said don't read it FOR RELATIONSHIP ADVICE. And honestly, that was the best answer of the whole piece.
I'd imagine the rabbi who recognizes that spiritual and cultural well-being might come from a different source than relationship/sexual well-being.
Jewish culture > important then the damn torah
The best things that came of my religion has been created by secular artists.
Also thanks to read clearly. It WAS the best answer in this whole article.
Also loved his answer about the mixed couple's situation. Why bother swimming in the shiksa pool, just to 'have fun' before you settle for a Jewish girl?
Any Jew who can't read the Torah to find some wisdom that applies to their current situation get their foreskins back. The whole point of talmudic study and is to argue with G-d's law and get your own way.
You can't really apply the Torah to your own life the way you can with the Qur'an, and it (thank Shechina) isn't as overtly didactic as parables. I think you get more out of say, the Midrashim, or more of our cultural writings. Hell, I got more real-world "advice" out of the Zohar and Maimonides than the straight-up Torah. The male rabbi's response was overly glib, but really true. It's good to look at to say "this is where we came from" but if you take it as the be-all-and-end-all of the faith, then you're no better than a dogmatic redneck Christian. We are Jews, and therefore somewhat smarter than that.
Way to support the stereotype that Jews are thoughtful, insightful, and humorous!
Moops, you're so right! These rabbis were some of my favorite interview subjects ever.
Haha, agreed.
Agreed!
Definitely have been waiting for this one. Worth the wait, they were fantastic.
Imams next!
Good idea.
All faith leaders should be included! That would make for very interesting and insightful columns.
Be patient! Others will come!
Really? Imams are fine, but I honestly would rather NOT hear sex advice from some conservative catholic priest.
Besides, what is wrong with having a article with JUST rabbis!? I do not mean to play the "J" card here, but I kinda smell some subtle anti-semetism....
Can we do Buddhist priests too? I was raised Buddhist and it worked out pretty well for me.
this isn't a religious site, and yeah, these are very open-minded rabbis. not all rabbis would be. I don't want sex advice from a priest, but I do love this piece.
I wonder what an Orthodox rabbi would say...
"sexy sexy ankles.
never show them."
Sounds like all the sexually-repressed Christians and sexually-abused Catholics should head for their nearest synagogue, where thecongregants celebrate life, love and respect for everybody.
That's probably sarcastic, but basically I'd recommend it. Despite our occasional forays into being consumerist toolbags, most non-orthodox Jews don't slut-shame, judge, or preach, which I love.
I like Rabbi Barr! His answer to the gentile dating the Jew who has to marry a Jew was especially good. Not everyone dates to marry, but clearly the couple in question has discussed it, and the girl has found out that she merely represents youthful experimentation for him, which should piss her off.
Christian hating! Yay! It solves all problems and doesn't look hypocritical at all!
huh? wha... the only thing that sorta would count would be Kel's comment, but other than that, the interviews and other comments so far contain no Christian bashing. spell out the hypocrisy for me because I don't see it...
Clearly @michele went to a Bachmann/Palin double feature and missed this actual article.
Or she might have been responding to your previous comment: "you're no better than a dogmatic redneck Christian. We are Jews, and therefore somewhat smarter than that."
That said, I really enjoyed the rabbis comments, especially from one and three. But that preference is only because my cousin's wife is a rabbi and I appreciate the insight when it comes to what their courtship must've been like (we don't get into that level of detail because of our age gap). All of their answers were insightful and delightful.
michele posted her comment before Varlotte made all of hers
I'm Riiiiight.
So am I!
What a nice trio! It's hard for me to imagine why anyone on JDate would be put off by the idea of dating a rabbi -- especially the two single women in this piece, who are both attractive and seem quite intelligent and level-headed (I omit Rabbi Barr because he's married, but he seems like a cool guy).
(I say "anyone on JDate", BTW, because this agnostic Gentile could never convert with sincerity. I wouldn't hesitate to marry a practicing Reform Jew, though having kids could bring up some complicated issues.)
Maybe there's an assumption that dating a rabbi would have to be "heavy", i.e. marriage-minded, from the get-go? Or that premarital sex would be off the table? Anyway, it's hard for me to reconcile the apparent dating difficulties that smart/strong women have, vs. the fact that just about every single male friend I have is looking for a smart/strong woman. Maybe I just have weird friends.
I am attracted to strong (not domineering, just strong), successful women of varying career types. That being said, even as a Jew, I wouldn't be comfortable dating a female Rabbi. It just doesn't feel right, has nothing to do with her being strong. I think if you are going to be open about being a Rabbi, you might in the same breath communicate what your expectations are/aren't for your partners. Hell, if this is JDate, you can copy/paste this into your profile or into emails. It isn't just intimidating, it also feels wrong for some reason. Wish I could be more specific, but I'm just trying to highlight a natural reaction males might be having that you might need to address before they react-without-words. Put another way, you might need to do some educating upfront about what you're being a Rabbi, means for him.
Marc, if you're up for it, it'd actually be really interesting to read more about your instinctive response. Is it an authority-figure thing? A representative of G-d on Earth thing? A sacred-vs.-profane thing?
I'll admit, at first blush it's hard for me to imagine having enthusiastically down-and-dirty sex with a female clergyperson...but these Reform rabbis, at least, seem comfortable embracing the body's capacity for pleasure, and emancipating their congregants from any attached guilt. If that translates to the bedroom? Would that we were all so lucky!
"you might need to do some educating upfront about what you're being a Rabbi, means for him." Women become Rabbis for the same reason that men do=because they want to lead and help a congregation! You claim to be kosher, to like strong women, but you sure sound like a sexist pig to me! How are women who happen to be rabbis different from any other women?
Eh, ease up on the sexism charges, they're not helpful. Dating an authority figure and/or a public figure is complicated even at the best of times, and sex/gender is part of that equation. Women who happen to be rabbis ARE different, like men who happen to be law enforcement officers or women who happen to be CEOs or men who happen to be celebrities. (Maybe it's easier for men, but that's also because many women are attracted to power, and that attraction -- that gender role expectation, that a man SHOULD be powerful and in control -- is no less sexist.)
I'm a troll called "Riiiight".
Rabbi Barr ... wouldn't mind meeting a man like him!
Disappointing article.
Only reason I got here was because I mis-read the tweet link as 'sex advice from rabbits'.
Oy!
L'Shana Tova:)
Happy 5772 to all the Nervers.
A sweet new year to each of you! Have some apple dipped in honey. That's how sweet the year should be/ will be for you.
This is my favorite sex advice article of all time. I love it! The rabbis interviewed were wonderful.
Rabbi Barr doesn't even look 40 in that picture. I really dig his viewpoint and would love to know more about his skincare routine.
I think Rabbi Bellows would get more action if she took off the tallis and wore something to show off her g-d given assets.
Holy crap, I thought it said RABBITS.
I had a MAJOR crush on a women's studies/reli-stu major who was considering rabinnical school. I used to fantasize about... our matrimonial life, and what scared me was about having to be the rebbitsin -- or whatever the male vesrions is called -- because I have a big mouth, and I knew I'd have to keep it shut outside of the house.
Otherwise, just life with another smart strong gorgeous Jewish girl from NY...