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Rock on man. Rock on.
--KL
04/02 |
what a nice piece of writing, genevieve!
amen.
--mb
03/29 |
Hi Genevieve;
You are quite right. Excellent editorial. There are some even starker outlook disparities in the infrastructure biz, where you can add political drag to the sluggishness of industry. Feast on your entire lack of entropy!
Best,
Alex Washburn
PS. Obviously you are busy, but if you find yourself in Williamsburg, I'd like to show you my new painting studio.
--aew
03/26 |
I especially liked the part about working 80 hour weeks for credibility...
Shit... At two-five I know I will still be alive to witness the funerals of all the 60 minutes team.
Hurray!
Chris Joy
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03/24 |
The big-time journalism schools, such as the one from which I graduated in 1973 (University of Oregon), all receive plenty of money from establishments which appreciate the "status quo ante" mentality of traditional-media gatekeepers. Those employed in administering the teaching of journalism therefore have incentive to downplay the internet as a medium for dissemination, prefering to define it as a tool for assistance in creating end-product journalism which is then broadcast or published via the traditional media.
Journalists who use the internet as their chief or sole dissemination medium are not recognized as colleagues by the traditional-media snoops. And most internet journalists practice the "profession" via amateur situations, thus putting themselves at an even greater distance from their traditional-media colleagues. And, one must earn a living -- id est, get paid -- as a journalist before organizations such as the Society of Professional Journalists acknowledge one's endeavors. There's no "internet press club" on the internet, at least not one of which I'm aware.
So if you're not paid you're not a journalist; if your work is disseminated via the internet alone you're not a journalist; and to top it all off, the internet is not a medium for end-product journalism. So say those who own the Fourth Estate.
They're full of you-know-what, of course; but until "internet people" (whomever they would be) begin giving lots of money to colleges and universities, until the internet creates its own journalistic organization -- until the internet will remain a journalistic afterthought.
--JAH
03/21 |
The big-time journalism schools, such as the one from which I graduated in 1973 (University of Oregon), all receive plenty of money from establishments which appreciate the "status quo ante" mentality of traditional-media gatekeepers. Those employed in administering the teaching of journalism therefore have incentive to downplay the internet as a medium for dissemination, prefering to define it as a tool for assistance in creating end-product journalism which is then broadcast or published via the traditional media.
Journalists who use the internet as their chief or sole dissemination medium are not recognized as colleagues by the traditional-media snoops. And most internet journalists practice the "profession" via amateur situations, thus putting themselves at an even greater distance from their traditional-media colleagues. And, one must earn a living -- id est, get paid -- as a journalist before organizations such as the Society of Professional Journalists acknowledge one's endeavors. There's no "internet press club" on the internet, at least not one of which I'm aware.
So if you're not paid you're not a journalist; if your work is disseminated via the internet alone you're not a journalist; and to top it all off, the internet is not a medium for end-product journalism. So say those who own the Fourth Estate.
They're full of you-know-what, of course; but until "internet people" (whomever they would be) begin giving lots of money to colleges and universities, until the internet creates its own journalistic organization -- until the internet will remain a journalistic afterthought.
--JAH
03/21 |
I saw the 60 Minutes II show where the nerve was featured, and it struck me. I only hope to find something to do in my life, that could be so exciting, and worth while to be willing to work eighty hour weeks. Something great enough I would be easily convinced to run New York city streets nude. Either way, just a couple of wistful, encouraging words, love it all and thanx.
--L.B.
03/14 |
In a way, this piece answered my internal question of "why is this site here?". Curiously I've long since forgotten how and where I heard about Nerve.
I have one suggestion about your future. It's one that comes to mind naturally, given that I'm sitting on the other side of the planet. If/when there is a convenient and secure method of making international payments, then the *world* will be the factor that takes you where old media cannot go.
A good example is your Photo of the Day series and the Galleries in general. We have a very good pair of print magazines in Australia for this kind of work (one publisher, "black+white" is the straight edition, "blue" is the queer). I have *no* idea how these compare with other mags in other countries. That shows the limits that old media imposes on producers and consumers alike.
By comparison, I _know_ how unique Nerve is. Online, the world is there for me to see. When you as publisher/producer realise that this is the consumer perspective, then you're ready to straddle media boundaries by not even seeing them.
Actually, I'm already sure you understand this.
For now though, you'd be right to concentrate your focus in the USA, e.g. the print edition. But keep the outside channels open, one day they will become the tail that wags the dog (not quite the right metaphor but you get the idea).
Btw, until the money thing gets solved, the biggest hurdle that is repeatedly obvious is language. It must be hard guessing which aspects of US culture are universal and which don't travel.
- odof (NerveCenter ID)
Western Australia
--OF
03/09 |
What an oddly conflicted essay about your appearance on sixty minutes. Taking a little umbrage at being called a kid would seem to be a cover for some deeper ambivalence. What could that be?
Well, maybe it's that kids go through phases, and to call a group of people the dot.com kids is to imply that the whole episode we are going through is, somehow, a temporary faze (to use thr rb spelling), a fad, a trend. Kid stuff. We know the net is here to stay. But is the content on the net, as it currently exists, good in its own right? Or is it riding on the back of a novel new media?
--tb
03/07 |
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