Talking to Strangers: San Francisco

Nerve asks deeply personal questions to people we just met.

By Alia Volz

 

Charlie, 27

You just moved to San Francisco?
A little more than a month ago. 

Have you been on any good dates here?
Oh yeah. This British girl has been amazing. I met her through a friend of a friend, at a bar down on Haight Street. We were just hanging out and she showed up, because she was in town from San Rafael. 

So what was the first thing that you connected over with her?
It's funny actually — it's kind of random. We both wanted to go to a strip club. I was new to the city, and she was just here on weekends. She had heard about San Francisco's underground sex scene, and what she really wanted to see was a live sex show. I'd never really thought about that possibility, but I figured if this British chick wanted to see a live sex show, I should go with her.

Where did you go?
It turned out that my best friend was in town that day, and he was not feeling the whole thing. I wanted to go with her — I really did. But I couldn't turn my back on my boy. 

That's respectable. So have you two fulfilled your fantasy of seeing a live sex show together?
Not yet, but we still plan on it. Because later that night, when she was done with what she was doing and I was done with what I was doing, we met back up at this hotel, and we really hit it off. We've been hanging out since then.

Did she seem inspired by the show?
I think so! I mean, that's the only explanation I can give for it, because I didn't know what was going on. I was just along for the ride... Hey, do you want a toke? I should have offered.

No, thank you.
This whole time I'm smoking and I didn't even offer, but I assumed you would have asked. Somehow I knew you didn't want any.

So is the weed better out here? It's got to be.
Oh my God! I got my medical-marijuana card, I'm set.

Day one?
As soon as I got an address and Cali ID.

How would you say the dating scene back home compares with out here?
Well, in Florida, there were a lot of strong lines drawn, as far as social status and that type of thing. Blue-collar people mixed in with old money. You just knew that if a girl was getting with you and you were at this certain level of economic status, she was just doing it to piss off her parents. It was like a stupid movie. Kids wrecking their cars and getting new ones the next day — and we're talking high-end, $60,000 to $70,000 cars.

Have you ever been scared by something a girl wanted to do in bed?
Uh, no. Let's just say I'm kind of a freak. Like this British girl, she was giving me head and she decided to stick her finger up my ass. And I was like, "Oh!" I mean, that's not normal for me. That's outside of my normal comfort zone, but I just went with it. It was cool.

Try anything once.
Exactly.

And if it works, try it twice. You're broadening your horizons.
Yeah, I'm on a roll. I mean I figured some crazy shit was going to happen to me when I got here. She didn't think anything of it, obviously, so I wasn't going to make it a big deal. I was cool with it.

She had nice short fingernails?
[laughs] It was very comfortable.

 

 

Angela, 23

Where are you from?
Anchorage, Alaska.

Where men outnumber women by... how much?
Three to one, or something. That's true for the rest of Alaska, but Anchorage is the biggest city. It's more like Seattle.

You didn't have the tremendous advantage in the dating pool that the rest of us imagine?
No.

How do you find the love scene in San Francisco?
I like the love scene here. I use online dating pretty often.

How has that worked out for you?
Great! I've gone on like seven or eight dates and had sex with like six people or something. It's wonderful. That's how I consider it a successful date, by the way.

So you're clearly a first-date kind of girl, when possible.
Yes.

What are your turn-offs? What might derail first-date sex?
I'd say that if men are overly shy, if they don't make the first move or are not comfortable with their sexuality, I feel like I'm wasting my time. 

What are huge turn-ons?
I like funny, clever men. I love if we can talk about politics and books. And it always helps if they're very, very pretty.

Doesn't hurt. So why is online dating easier than meeting people in person?
You can snoop on them. Okay, what do they believe? You can look at all their answers to the questions, and you can rule out certain things that are important to you. If you think the earth is bigger than the sun, or if you don't believe in polyamory, I think I'm going to steer away from you.

Have you explored some of the "sex positive" scenes in town?
I have been to Twist and Club Kiss. I'm actually going there tonight. It's an event at Mission Control, which is actually where they do Kinky Salon. It's only for couples and single women.

Have you ever met anybody at a sex club with whom you pursued a relationship after the fact?
Not yet. I will probably pursue a connection in the future. The last time I went, I met a very cute couple. I might hook up with them again.

Are you interested in a relationship right now?
I'm open to the possibility, but I'm not actively looking. If one comes along, I might go with it. 

Sounds like you're in a freaky free phase. Has anyone ever done anything in bed that shocked you, or made you not want to continue?
Premature ejaculators made me not want to continue. But having been scared? That's never happened to me. I'm pretty open about my limitations. The people I date tend to be pretty open to asking explicitly about things. Like, "Will you burn me with a blowtorch?" No, I don't want to burn you with a blowtorch. I really don't.

Has somebody you were sleeping with pulled out a tremendous surprise that you will forever remember?
No, most people are the same, I think. There were two guys who said they wanted to be fucked with a strap-on, which was kind of a surprise because they were big manly men, but I was only slightly surprised.

Did you comply?
Yes. 

Have you ever stalked anyone?
No. Well, this one time maybe could be considered stalking. I was texting with a friend of mine, back and forth. And I thought, ooh, he's texting with me right now, so he must be free. I'm going to pop into his house. So I did. And he got really uncomfortable and weirded-out by me just showing up.

Have you ever been in love?
Yes, with a few people.

Do you fall in love quickly?
Oh yes, very fast.

Are you sure it's love?
If it feels like love at the time, it is.

 

 

Engelbert, 30

You work in technology?
I work in software engineering, basically.

How long have you been in the city?
Five years. I'm originally from Michigan, and San Diego before here.

How are the ladies treating you?
It's always been hard — dudes, by the way.

Pardon me, I should never assume. So, I've always felt, as a woman in San Francisco, that the gay guys have it made, and the straight girls are losing out. Like a gay man has his pick of ten fine boys on any block.
The hot ones do.

But you're a good-looking gentleman. It must be a matter of your high standards.
Please repeat that into the mic very clearly.

You are an attractive man!
I just want that on the record. More than anything, I really don't like the Castro. I don't like the average gay bars, so it's harder. According to statistics, ten percent of the population is people that I could date, and then I don't like ninety percent of that population. So it's decimated.

So where do you find what appeals to you? Where do you look?
There are dating sites. I don't mean to spin this like I go to Craigslist and troll for booty. I did that when I was younger. But basically, unless they bump into me, it's probably not going to happen. 

What was your weirdest dating experience? 
I went out with somebody for about a month. We hung out — everything was going really well. He had a really big beard, which I wasn't really into. And then, after we had probably gone out for like a month, we went home to watch a movie, which is pretty much gay code for "fool around." And it turns out, without any warning, he had a vagina.

Wow! 
It was kind of terrifying.

And you'd been dating for a month?
I mean, isn't that something you would mention — if not on the first date then perhaps on the second or third?

I've never heard of it going that way. Isn't it usually you take a fine woman home and then find out that dude looks like a lady?
Nor had I, and I wish I wasn't here to tell the tale. Lady was a very convincing dude, that's for sure.

So what happened?
I freaked! I opened the door and was like, "No. Out. Leave." And it wasn't so much the fact that I had touched a vagina. But how do you go out with somebody for that long? If you don't mention that you have a vagina, and it's assumed that you don't, what other secrets do you have? It was the whole thing.

Commentarium (42 Comments)

Sep 29 11 - 1:57am
ggg

Sean does look like Paul.

Oct 03 11 - 3:51pm
Really

Sean looks like "Paul" in a production of Beatlemania working a circuit of midsized midwestern cities.

Sep 29 11 - 4:24am
kayb

Yay! Great crowd.

Sep 29 11 - 9:29am
moops

I'd totally do Engelbert. And I don't have a vagina.

Sep 29 11 - 12:49pm
Indy

Michael has one of the best stories on here. Want to hear more!

Sep 29 11 - 1:50pm
xxx

why is everyone white?

Sep 29 11 - 3:12pm
Beanbag

What's wrong with that? I hate this whole idea that to have "diversity" people have to be of different races. As if all white people are the same, or that someone of a different race, by virtue of that fact alone, makes them somehow more interesting than white people. We have a marine biologist, an older gentleman who used to work on a Pullman car, a stand up comedian, a gay man. Seems like an interesting mix to me.

Sep 30 11 - 11:15am
white

what's wrong with white people?

Sep 30 11 - 4:10pm
kittyc

There is a vast difference in the dating and social scene of San Francisco depending on the district or neighborhood (from Richmond, Sunset, Haight, Mission, SoMa, North Beach, etc). I'm a little disappointed since I understand SF to be rather ethnically and culturally diverse and would have preferred for this article to be a bit more representative of that, however the strangers chosen for interviews are still pretty interesting.

Oct 20 11 - 7:42pm
AdelitaOf<3

I agree with kittye, interesting stories, but having a bunch of white people is not exactly representative of a diverse city like SF.
Maybe there are cultural things going on though, like white people tended to be more open about their sexual experiences, or white people were who the interviewer felt most comfortable approaching and relating to....
Anyway I love all of these little stories! A great reminder that you can't judge a book by its cover. Very interesting stuff.

Sep 29 11 - 2:05pm
pekoejane

@xxx-- because San Francisco is predominately white that's one of the reasons why I moved back to New York.

Sep 29 11 - 9:23pm
hkc

umm, really? you don't think that we have a significant asian and latino population? i just hate when people get snotty about leaving SF for new york, as though that's some amazing feat. meh.

Sep 29 11 - 2:08pm
Toledo Dave

Now I know why all my students want to go to San Francisco after graduation. I hope that Angela does it with her couple in the open area, for all to see, as opposed to behind closed doors at the swing clubs. Here's hoping Adrian enjoyes her second orgasm as much as the first. Michael's story makes me want to support train travel as public policy. All interesting people.

Sep 29 11 - 2:33pm
KS

That's probably the first time I've actually seen anyone used the word "decimated" correctly.

Sep 29 11 - 5:31pm
pendant

Actually, no true. Decimate means to eliminate one tenth. Engelbert uses decimate to mean that he eliminates all but one tenth (90%) -- basically, he's using the word to mean its opposite. (Decimate comes from the Roman-times practice of killing every tenth soldier in any legion that flees from battle. More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_(Roman_army)

Sep 29 11 - 6:28pm
P

+1 I was impressed myself.

Sep 30 11 - 10:51am
dave1976

Hey word snobs, it also means drastic devasation, destruction, etc. Just because one person (incorrectly) uses the lesser know definition of the word doesn't mean the rest of us are wrong.

Sep 30 11 - 11:48pm
l

Actually, it does.

Oct 20 11 - 7:50pm
N

Not at all! It just depends on whether you are proponent of prescriptive or descriptive words. Prescriptive: What the man/linguistically powerful tell you something means, Descriptive: The way that the word is acually utilized on the street and by the MAJORITY of the pop. or subculture they're a part of.
Let't try to understand eachother guys! Instead of useless dead-end arguing! :D

Sep 29 11 - 2:55pm
h

To say "the hoi polloi" is redundant, since "hoi" means "the." A former railroad dining car steward should really know these things. ;)

Oct 04 11 - 1:28pm
Diogenes

If we're not treating the thing as an English phrase it should be "hois pollois" without the redundant article in the context in which he uses it; the Greeks would have used the plural dative of accompaniment. But since it's a frozen English phrase I think we can let the mistakes slide this time.

Sep 29 11 - 9:33pm
KC

Angela has gorgeous skin.

Sep 30 11 - 7:12pm
Olivia

She does. She is my roommate.

Sep 30 11 - 10:59pm
Henry IX

Angela has gorgeous everything.

Sep 30 11 - 8:58am
Grady LaLa

Finally, a normal gay guy; not a flamer, gym queen, fashion bug, or Sassy Gay Friend. Just a regular guy who likes guys.

Sep 30 11 - 2:01pm
ggg

Boring!

Oct 01 11 - 5:32pm
yhn

wrong!

Sep 30 11 - 9:15am
Moops

Dear transexuals: Surprising people with your situation is in extremely poor taste; moreover I think it harms cause of trans-acceptance. Be open about what you are and what you have!

Sep 30 11 - 11:31am
M

Love all of these. Possibly my favourite ever.

Sep 30 11 - 6:42pm
Alo

Look at all that transphobia. What an accepting town.

Sep 30 11 - 7:12pm
Actually

Transphobia is one thing - being upset that the guy you've fooling around with has a vagina is a different thing entirely. I don't think a trans person should have to advertise it to everyone, but in the context of dating, such is a salient detail and omission is dishonesty.

Oct 01 11 - 12:52am
Alo

I meant the "could she have been a man?" line of questioning. Also while the trans dude probably definitely should have spoken up before a month in where it was "revealed" rather than said, I think there's a shit ton of reason why that could be really fucking hard to do. That situation could probably been dealt with better by both parties.

Oct 01 11 - 1:56am
nope

I agree with both of you. I was thinking about this a bit--why it didn't bother me the first time and did the second. The first, the guy was respectful in terms of gender pronouns and gender identity for his partner, and it does seem pretty unreasonable to wait until a guy has his hands down your pants to explain that he might find your genitals surprising. I can't imagine it's an easy conversation to have, but it's one a transgendered person has to become comfortable with having if they plan on treating their sexual partners with the respect they'd want in return.

On the other hand, the second time it was like the questioner was trying to yank some transphobia out of the interviewee by hook or by crook. Disrespectful in gender identity too--"Could she have been a /man/?"

Oct 13 11 - 1:45am
AV

Interesting conversation. As the interviewer, I probably shouldn't meddle in comments, but I do want to apologize if my wording seemed disrespectful. In retrospect, I can see what you mean, though I was really just trying to better understand the story I was hearing. Gender identity is a rich and complicated subject. Using the wrong pronoun does not always indicate phobia. I have nothing but respect for trans people.

Oct 13 11 - 1:50am
AV

Make that *transgender* people. Ugh, now my tongue is tied!

Sep 30 11 - 7:59pm
Andy

The reverse "Crying Game" incident has to be the topper. You can't make up that kind of shit up!

Oct 18 11 - 1:14pm
M

Engelbert's situation is so typical of SF... an attractive gay man who is totally ignored because he isn't part of the Castro microcosm or a member of one of its cliques.

Oct 20 11 - 7:32pm
AdelitaOf<3

Aw, I like Sean's story. I know I must seem naive or maybe it is a San Francisco/big city thing, but I don't believe that these kind of wild free-sex stories are an acurate sample of the general population. I mean to that many people just have free, go-where-the-wind-takes-you sex?
I nean what ever happened to bodily shame, fear, guilt, and inhibitions??? lol.
But seriously, I just feel like I REALLY have to like someone and be comfortable around someone before I can expose my naked body and have an intimate relationship with someone. (And I'm in my early 20's)
Idk, is that ideology "passe" now?

Nov 21 11 - 1:11am
Lorrie

Good points all around. Truly apprecaited.

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