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Then there was the tale of the girl who attended a PUA lecture and slept with three PUAs the same night. I had to admit, David was fun to talk to. Within an hour, I was tired of sitting up on the edge of the mattress, so I took the chance of lying down... still keeping three feet of real estate between us. Regardless, he was on me in a moment.
"Stop that," I said, and he pulled back. "Look," I said, "I really am not going to have sex with you. I just want to talk. Also," I added, "I should go home soon. It's late."
"You're totally sleeping over," David said firmly. "I'll drive you home in the morning."
"No, I'm going home tonight," I said.
Again, he changed the subject. I wondered if it was wise to let him do that, but it didn't seem like I could say any words he would take seriously.
We talked until five or six a.m. He continued lying next to me. I continued to rebuff his advances. Every time I said I would go home, he said I should sleep over. Finally I said, "I'm just going to walk."
"That'll take you hours!" he protested.
"Watch me," I said. "I'm pretty sure I know how to get there from here. Plus, we can't be far from public transit."
"No, okay, I'll take you home."
The sun came up as we drove across the city. The conversation shifted to my writing and my thoughts about sex and sexuality. I talk about sex a lot in a cerebral, non-hot way; I'm used to discussing my own sexual desires that way, too. This is what we do in the S&M subculture, and sex writers do it a lot, too.
But David made it clear that for him, the conversation was extremely hot. I hadn't meant to tease him — really — but as we pulled up to the corner near my apartment, I looked at David thoughtfully. His voice had gone husky. He gazed at me meaningfully.
I didn't feel attracted to him. I had no intention of having sex with him. If he hadn't been a PUA, I would have continued to keep him at arm's length. But there was something so incredibly hot about pickup artistry in general...
...I leaned over and kissed him, and he groaned.
I realized that the thrill I felt was a power trip. I'm the first to admit that I fetishize power; and I knew, in that moment, that my feelings about interacting with PUAs really were similar to S&M feelings. Except that the difference was this: if I were playing S&M mind games, I'd discuss it explicitly. I would try to respect everyone's emotions. If I were looking for a real relationship, then I would try very hard to be honest and honorable.
In contrast, I stepped out of David's car without a word. In that moment, I felt zero compunctions about messing with his head in a completely non-negotiated way.
He was a PUA, right? He'd spent the whole night pushing my boundaries and trying to manipulate me. I dreaded to imagine how well his tactics could have worked on a younger, more naive, more insecure version of myself.
This was war.
And besides, it wasn't like PUAs had feelings or anything.
This may have been my first omen that learning about PUAs was making me more cynical and manipulative, and encouraging negative attitudes about men. Alas, I paid it no mind.
This is an abridged excerpt from the brand-new ebook, Confessions of a Pickup Artist Chaser: Long Interviews with Hideous Men, by the feminist S&M writer Clarisse Thorn. You can buy it right now at Amazon! Note that if you don't have a Kindle, you can download the free Kindle app for your computer or smartphone and read it there. If you would prefer a paper copy, Clarisse will be releasing the book in physical form within the next two weeks. Also note: you can become a fan of Confessions on Facebook.
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Commentarium (25 Comments)
Ugh, that guy sounds awful.
No kidding. Research or no research - Does any girl want to be the girl who went home with the PUA Instructor guy in the lavender and rhinestone suit? I feel like I almost got gonorrhea just reading about it. Please let natural selection weed out these sabre toothed douche bags.
Ah yes, all of the ugly parts of BDSM with none of the trust/intimacy or fun. I can see the appeal.
If I use PUA techniques (hitting on my target's friends while temporarily ignoring her, "peacocking" with loud clothes, setting down implied challenges in an effort to make her seek my approval, etc) while searching for a woman with whom to have meaningful relationship, does that make me a PUA?
If I'm unable to comment on an article with making the comment entirely about myself, does it make me a jackass?
Yes, yes it does. You'll fit into the PUA world perfectly.
Jackasses. Both of them.
They deserve each other.
Yeah - and all they got was this lousy book.
"But there was something so incredibly hot about pickup artistry in general..."
REALLY?
Honestly, this article makes me pause to consider my entire philosophy of open communication and "good karma".
Sociopaths, that's who's out there waiting for you. Some of them want to use you, some of them want to be used by you.... and I don't mean in the good, trusting BSDM way, either.
Why not do a research project on the guys NOT in the lavender suit? You know, the ones who might ACTUALLY take you to the diner and not their apartment? I guess that wouldn't be make for exciting headlines.
The Race to the Bottom Continues.
Sweet dreams are made of this!
for many people (both men & women) sex games are really just power games to see who blinks first. what psychological cards are played, and at what times. my experience is that those who complain the loudest about the gaming are those who engage in it the most.
It's accepted when women spend hours on their makeup, clothes and fashion and lifestyle magazines while men or rather PUAs are looked upon as an entirely different race. They are men who wish to develop their social skills and learn how to become better at not only scoring women, but also socializing and hence aspire to become more whole beings with yet another competence added to their lives.
Is that so strange? Is that so threatening? Apparently for some, yes. And those who feel threatened by men developing their social skills, lack something in their own lives. If it's men, then they're obviously jealous. If it's women, it's because they feel threatened by the power of the PUAs. Instead of hating the game, get into it. That's what the PUAs did and look how far they have come. Respect!!
People don't dislike PUAs because they dress up. They dislike PUAs because they play mean-spirited, manipulative, aggressive games that often push the boundaries of consent.
And people look down HARD on women who employ similar ridiculous Cosmo-inspired game-playing, or have you never read the "Ridiculous Tips for a Miserable Sex Life" articles?
The dislike of PUAs has nothing to do with how they dress but instead how they treat women. They act like it's acceptable to treat a woman as an object without feelings instead of as a human being. They're manipulative and creepy.
In fairness, most people treat other humans as objects, and are indifferent to their feelings. It's not like a woman who aims to marry rich is any more caring or sympathetic than a PUA type who wants NSA sex, or that wanting to get laid is somehow more contemptible than any of the other ways people get things from people they don't care about. When you treat a person as nothing more than a means to an end, or a conduit through whom a goal is fulfilled, then they're an object to you.
"most people treat other humans as objects"...yikes. In my own experience, most people do not treat other humans as objects, they treat them as humans. Here's to you meeting some more of those people.
Heh, fair enough, though I was intentionally being hyperbolic to some extent. I just get tired of the idea that men wanting to get laid, and not really caring about the women in question, is some sort of anomalous event of human interaction that deserves to be singled out. People treat each other exploitatively all the time (though thankfully there are those who treat each other with kindness and compassion, as you point out), and introducing sex into the equation is only a variation on the same basic theme: the commoditization of human relationships.
Clarisse would never wear those shoes. Jes' sayin'.
I find the whole dating thing (including PUA's) quite fascinating. Several times I've meet guys who've read one of the books/ websites or aspire to be full-on PUA's (though I don't think I've ever met a real black belt). It's always hilarious to call them out. Almost started a dating coach business with one.
Anyone who paints all PUA's as scumbags, doesn't understand. Sure, there are total creeps out there, and some of them are PUA's, but no one's got the corner on assholes ...or angels, for that matter.
...and ya, you want to hate on someone, blame Cosmo, every Harlequin romance novel ever penned and 99% of the Rom-Com and Disney Princess movies ever produced for the PUA's successes.
"But there was something so incredibly hot about pickup artistry in general... "
Eew. Just, eew.
WAIT A MINUTE. IT WORKED?!?
The whole PUA industry revolves around men who don't have sufficient personality to attract women just by being themselves. It's unfortunate if you happen to be one of those men, but you'll probably hook up with women who also lack confidence and personality.
Myself, I'll just stick with being me, and those women who like me for being GENUINE will be the sort I'd rather hook up with.
If you're thinking you need to part with money to learn these manipulation techniques, then good luck to you, but in my experience women respond much better to men who are just themselves, with all their inadequacies.
Haha. Personality. You have probably never dated outside your circle of friends. I'd love to see where it gets you at a club at 2am or on a busy road at midday when the girl won't even give you time to manifest your vaunted "personality".
See, the problem with personality is that it takes time to show. Hell, everyone has personality if you dig deep enough, so i don't know why you are holding on to it as though it distinguishes you in anyway. Sorry, you aren't a special little snowflake. Time you often don't get.
You're way off base, not to mention insulting. And you picked one of the nicest posters to pick on, which makes you low.
"In fairness, most people treat other humans as objects, and are indifferent to their feelings" - you're a sociopath.
Let's see: you posted your response in the wrong place, AND it's a one-liner with none of the human warmth of Sad's post. What does that say about you, exactly?
BTW a real sociopath wouldn't say "most" people don't care about other people. They think everyone else is faking their emotions, and is dead inside just like them. Or, they recognize that most other people are indeed different, but see it as a weakness to be exploited.
But don't let the truth get in the way of your patting yourself on the back, there.