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Outrage over "Psychology Today" article deeming black women less attractive
By Kelly BourdetMay 17th, 2011, 2:24 pmComments (107)
The internet is awash in backlash against Psychology Today blogger Satoshi Kanazawa and his article, published online yesterday. The piece's original title, "Why Are African American Women Less Physically Attractive Than Other Women?" was later changed to the cumbersome, "Why Are Black Women Rated Less Physically Attractive Than Other Women, But Black Men Are Rated Better Looking Than Other Men?”
The data used for the article was drawn from the Add Health study, a massive longitudinal study commissioned by the United States government to examine adolescent health outcomes and potential factors for risk-taking behaviors. Thousands of adolescents took part in the study over a period of fourteen years. After each student took the survey, the administrator of the survey assigned them an "attractiveness value" from one to five. The students also assessed themselves using the same scale.
The issue with Kanazawa's work is not that the study results showed a marked difference between the attractiveness of white, black, Asian, and Native American women, but that Kanazawa sought to present this data as objectively true. He pointed to physiological factors such as testosterone levels to explain why the black women are less attractive. You'd imagine that in a magazine devoted to psychology, issues of socialization and subjective beauty standards would be given some attention, but instead Kanazawa's piece reads like some 1920s, Darwinian-influenced treatise on why certain races are inferior.
To me, the findings of the study seem like an obvious result of America's historical white-beauty worship. Though standards are certainly changing, there's still a lack of black women in fashion spreads, and black models are nearly nonexistent in many designers' runway shows. The influence of all these images of white women supposedly epitomizing beauty cannot be underestimated. The individuals assigning "attractiveness values" to young women weren't immune from this influence. The culture's obsession with one race's beauty creates a beauty standard that centers around that race, not the other way around.
Commentarium (107 Comments)
Nice pic of Janelle Monae, but no caption that says, "Generic Pretty Black Woman"?
You need glasses!
Seems that every time there's a photo of a black woman, then jus about every black woman on the planet says she's so beautiful! But, that's not true! And, they know it as well! Black women are so insecure, and I've never seen anywhere other races of women cliaiming that they're all thsi, and all that! It's really sad that African American women are so insecure! But, then turn right around, and literally bust their butts trying to look just like white women! That's just crazy!
First off I personally don't think the picture of the woman (above) is attractive! Well, not to me! As, the poster already said BW think that they're all attractive, but most BW simply just aren't! Nor, do most BW take care of themselves either....why? I along with a lot of BM continue to wonder why when I go to the gym you almost never see any BW there. But, when a BM is attracted to a non-BW...not just a white one then these BW get an attitude! Again, Why? If, more BW would lose some weight, and in general take better care of themselves and not only so it seems to be all caught up in their fake hair, nails. They ignore just about everything else! Eveen if you take a look at most BW's skin...sorry it's really bad. I have to agree with the article, because from what I continue to see from most BW is that they are not only unattractive, have a bad attitudes, but also don't take care of themselves, but think that BM should want them! That's exactly why more, and more brothers are moving on, and will continue to do so! Lastly, where's all this so-called black beauty when in fact BW are trying to look like WW? Why aren't they intelligent enough to develop thier own stands of beauty like other races of women do? They want, and want but aren't willing to put in the time. I just don't understand this mind set from most BW today. It's both sad, and pathetic. I'm sick and tired of seeing all these FAT sisters! It's just embarrassing!
That funny...your uncles,and grandfathers had no problem with BW...and still behind closed doors that what they truly want. I see alot of WW early 20's look run down..cracked out..body went to hell before 15...broaded your horizons!
should I mention ..skin tanning...butt and lip injections..or just say Kim K. So when your sickly self lays out during this summer..pull this up. Your folks broke up families and distorted history with your lies!
I agree with you about my grandfather, about BW. Not too sure however about my uncle! But, that was "back in the day" when BW were ladies, and also carried themselves as such! today, it's a completely different ball game! Again, I have to concur with your comments, but yet again we're not talking about BW " TODAY"! Because, to be brutally honest most BW aren't even feminine, or attractive! But they're that way, because their mothers aren't, and as a result couldn't and didn't teach them something that they themselves were ignorant about! And, sadly here you again as a BW always have to introduce WW into the discussion...again! BW always do that because they're overly obsessed with WW..guess that directly supports why BW want so desperately to look just like them, but can't meet the mark. try looking like who, and what you are for a change! Stop being ashamed of yourselves! because that's all it is, and exactly why the article in question was "spot on" right! Sure, BW are less attractive then WW, because they're not white! and, because were again talking about WW standards of beauty, not BW's standards of beauty! Get it? But, regardless BW are trying to be white, but are nothing more than fake white women! Sure, feel free to mention anything that falls into the arena of cosmetic surgery. because BW are today doing the very same thing! They also use BOTOX too! You really need to bring yourself up to speed, and what's really happening in the world of cosmetic surgery. Because more, and more BW are engaging in that getting nose jobs, and lip reductions too, and as they say to obtain the WW's look. BW are also getting "skin peels" to lighten their skin! Try reading more, you'll clearly see that reality for yourself. because to tell you the truth it's getting tired reading the same comments from BW all the time.
LOL...LOL I can't tell you how many times BW just like this example ANGELA comes online with all this kind of nonsense! The topic was supposed to be pertaining to the Article in Psych Today, so what on earth does anyone's penis size have to do with that?..LOL Or have any place in this discussion? I guess black women like this one must also be beyond upset with that article saying that black men were basically more attractive then WM, and them too!..LOL...LOL This sister ANGELA is a real piece of work! Really sad. Is, it any wonder that more, and more black men are moving as far away from black women as fast as they can to non-black women?....LOL What black women just can't understand is that it takes more than just fake hair, to make them white, or attractive!
That's funny, because to me, objectively, black women are the most attractive.
Anyhow, do we need more proof that evopsych is actually a pile of horsedung? Because I think this new "study" just killed the whole field.
Sure, you'd say that because you're a BW! But, believe me in the real world most BW are very average, or below! True there are beautiful BW, but in truth not many. If, BW are all that beautiful as BW claim, then why are most trying to look just like WW? Duh!
If, you think, or believe that black women are as you say the most attractive women of all races of women, then all I can say is you need to get out more! No way, and not even close!
Beauty is definetly in the eye of the beholder, that's for sure! Sorry, but BW need to take a second, or even a third look in that mirror! Because, BW are considered to be the least attractive of all races of women in the US, and they know it! So, don't get mad when you're called out! BW have no problem calling everybody else out! That's nothing but those all too well known BW double standards. These women need to grow up, most act like their still in high school. That's really sad.
Black women are less attractive then not only white women, but Hispanics, and Asians too! Just look at all these sisters wearing these stupid weaves and are fat. So, either do better, or just get over it!
Light-skin preference is not uniquely American. It exists in all regions of the worlds and predates American slavery — in Asia, for example, darker skin is considered low-class and women try to maintain a lighter complexion. I'm sure there are those who would blame Europeans for this, but it's more likely it is a class distinction... if you tan, you are an outdoor laborer.
Note: I didn't mean to sound so disingenuous — America has it's very special flavor of skin preference that is heavily informed by its past.
@GradyLaLa - But very possibly perpetuated by the distinctions you mention.
Not this same tired discussion again! Nobody is more involved with the light skin , dark skin ignorance than are black folks! Somehow we just can't seem to get over that hump, and that reflects on our inability to be mature. I see all the time light skin blacks hating on darker skin blacks. And, there's no white people to blame for that! We are, and continue to be our own worse enemy! And, BW are showing everyday that they're ashamed of being black, so why get mad when you're also considered to be ..(which most are) the least attractive! BW are also considered across the board by men of all races to be the least desireable for marriage in the US. And, the national marriage stats show just that! Even BM aren't, or don't care to marry BW anymore! The only thing that BW did was bring even more attention to this article, so they got an apology! They think they won something, but have only put this article in the light, and now it's all over the internet! And, from what I see most people agree with it's contents. BW again have overreacted, as usual, and as anticipated! They've only help to sell more magazines! That was the plan.
Grow one Jon...you really have a problem with BW. Because you know we will beat your flat pimpled ass!
Typical ignorant, and immature comments by another BW. You really need to grow up! And, BW continue to wonder why no one wants to either marry them, or even be with them. You also only continue to stereotype yourselves every time you open your mouths.
OK, I just made sure I actually read the article before I passed judgement. I suppose, based on his research, he could have phrased his findings a lot less subjectively (ie "Black women were typically rated as less attractive in this study. Possibly explanations are a greater deviation from the predominant cultural standard of beauty, etc, etc...) and not sounded like so much of a tool. However, his bio would suggest that he likes to stir up controversy, and directly campaign against political correctness, so I guess he succeeded.
The reality is that BW simply hate hearing the real truth about themselves! Just, like when its said ...truthfully I might add that 80.3% of all BW in the US are either overweight, or obese. Or, that BW are, and continue to be the highest risk group in the US today for HIV/AIDS, for all races of women, and both genders. That's the real issue that's on the table, and also that BW have been called out...again!
based on what I see on a day to day basis, you can't throw a cat without hitting a fat black women! Sorry, that's a real turn off to most men regardless of their race! If, you think that's attractive, then you'll bite on anything thrown your way! Coupled with the fact that most people know that black women don't take care of themselves. Lastly, the truth is something black women just can't digest. It's true about HIV/AIDS and BW I just recently viewed that a few minuets ago here online, and guess what Black women are responsible for 66% of all reported cases in the US, and for two out of every three cases for all races of women period! Most men that I know don't care to be with black women because of that! Can you blame them?
Well, said! I couldn't have expressed it better. I don't fool with BW at all, most are just too negative, rude, loud, and try to bully everybody including other BW, and they also think they know everything....but of course don't!...lol...lol
BW outraged? You'd think that they'd be outraged about being so darn overweight, and as mentioned the highest risk group for aids! Which just happens to be the number one killer of BW between the ages of 25 - 34! Why aren't they also outraged for having all these OOW babies and not being married? These women are lost, and in utter denial!
Your Government set this up a long time ago..but don't let me mention Thurman or Jefferson...your forfathers had no problem with BW...with did the jobs of your mammas in the fields,kitchen and the bedrooms. So blame Slavery...or should I mention Kush!
You're even more ignorant than I first thought! Your comments don't even warrant a response.
I'm a social psychologist and I honestly feel like psychology shot it self in the foot with this.
Why?
Quiet as it's kept most people are actually applauding "Psychology Today" for taking such a bold, and also a truthful stand on this issue. BW are for the most part beyond naive to think that a mere apology will erase what people already know, and have in their minds about BW? If, you're not simply legally blind, then anyone, if they're honest with themselves can clearly see on any given day of the week that the "majority" of...not all BW aren't as attractive across the board as are the overwhelming majority of non-black women. And, that's something that BW already know! That's why they're busting thier butts in a failed attempt to emulate WW, but can't measure up! Sorry, it is what it is! Get over it, and move on!
People at my palce of business can't stop talking about this article. Most agree that sure some Black women are stunning attractive, but most aren't even cute!
Same here! This is the number one topic of the year! And, BW are mad as hell! But you know it's pretty hard to defend their positiOn with a headful of Asian hair on their heads!...lol Remember also this made is Asian too! Perhaps BW forgot the origin of the very hair thay have on their heads! This is nothing but the usual and typical BW's foolishness! ...lol What in the world is wrong with BW? God only knows!
I'll make the point it isn't just skin but shape.Don't see many plus sized models gracing the pages of magazines.If there is ,well the moniker says it all "plus sized" is like "oh well she's....got more than other people...she's got extra ..weigh-er personality!and she's got great hair!". We need to stop focusing on people's shape as well as their melatonin levels.But it is unfair to say that kind of thing...you'd think one of his family would have read the blog before it was posted and said "don't be an eejit and stir sh*t up"
"Plus sized" models are generally thinner than the average woman.
@Girl - "stir s!@# up?" You honestly would prefer that this research be censored?
No, the "research" should be matched by more "research," hopefully done by a Black woman scientist, proving that Asian dudes have the smallest dicks, in addition to quite large male entitlement complex.
Except the Black woman's science would actually be valid.
So you're saying this science isn't valid? Please present your evidence.
@... - This is the most racist comment in the entire thread. Please think before you post.
So, saying black women are ugly (the ugliest, even) is Science, but saying East Asian men have the smallest penises is racist. Get your head checked, buddy.
Uh... which head?
In truth nobody wants to see overweight women, be that black or white, or of any race. Sadly, most BW today are overweight, and are also the most overweight segment in the US today! BW say that's about being "curvy", but that's nothing but FAT! How can BW think they're all that attractive in the first place, when in reality according to the CDC 80.3% of all BW in the US are either overweight, or obese! Sorry, but Fat isn't attractive at all! BW are just in perpetual denial!
To me as an individual a women's shape means something to me. BW thinks that just having a big butt...which all black women don't have, think that all men should be into them just for that reason. Sorry, that doesn't work! Especially if you're wearing fake hair, colored contacxts lens, and those ugly long nails! And in most cases no makeup! Who are they trying to look like? Certainly not BW! Why black women don't think, or believe they need to wear makeup is over the top! Because they do, and much more than most! At the end of the day I think that BW across the board just don't want to be black, and that they hate themselves.
The primnary issue that I don't care for BW are most just aren't ladies! Nor, do they seem to know "thing one" about being one! Just, like I've noticed, and continue to notice about BW...most sit with their legs open no matter what they're wearing. Why is that? No home training? Who knows, but to be hones whenever I see that i make it a point to go over to them, and wishper in their ear, informing them of that reality.
I suppose "Perspectives of Race vs Perceived Attractiveness" would have been too easy. At least the dude could have applied a bit of historical awareness to his claptrap, noting that such perceptions tend to change over time and allowing himself the out of calling this a snapshot of now. As it is he just embarrassed himself all to hell and is likely too myopic even to be aware of it.
or maybe a better title even: "People are still by-and-large sexist and racist as we can see by this study that shows that they value black women the least"?
God what fucking horseshit. Sexism was the reason why black women were rated lower than white women?!? Racism was the only reason for the disparity? Do you just look for victimization around every corner you can find? It's disgusting, to be honest with you.
It's a combination of racism AND sexism why Black women are consistently treated like dirt in this country, but that is probably too complex of an idea for your stupid white man brain to take.
@@Ryan - Seriously? Are you that stupid?
Yes! Gah! I mean, no! I'm not that - I'm smart! Yes! Right?
he simply told the real truth! And, also what other people themselves already know about BW. There's nothing new here! Just like with BW and their all too well known negative attitudes! This is all dated info! BW are the ones that were embarrassed by having to read themselves along with the rest of the world the truth about themselves.
Well, anyone can see if a woman in not attractive, and to be truthful most black women aren't attractive at all. There's also more than just being physically attractive. Ever try saying hello to a black woman? In most cases you'll regret doing that, because all you get is the usual negative attitude, and faces that are liken to them having just had a super sour glass of lemonade. I don't even speak to black women anymore, unless they speak first. They they think that behavior is cute, why? You tell me, I think it's rude.
Man, are you right one! Just last night I went to the mall, saw a reasonably attracive BW and in passing I just said Hi! Boy was that a mistake!...lol Her face got all twisted up, and right on cue came the poked out lips!...lol i just laughed, and didn't break stride! This kind of behavior, and attitude is the typical BW behavior. So, it's more than just how a woman looks that makes her unattractive. I can always receive smiles, and return courteous from just about all non-black women that i cross paths with, and in all venues. But, with BW...well that's a completely different story! So, the article in my opinion was very accurate in my mind with the physical and the persoanl attractiveness of women.
We know that your wee wee is extremly small....or your a Scott Peterson. Why you guys kill your pregnant wives? Also, she knows your on prescriptive med's for something,right?
Just, to ... well hoping to shut your brain down I'm a BM. Now, don't you feel completely foolish?
The sad thing is that if you are in fact a BM then you disgrace your mother and your grandmother with this rubbish you entertain. Beauty is what you make it, BW are more likely trying to fit in with societies idea of beauty not trying to be white. SMH. What is wrong with people... who really cares what some... 1 person thinks about black or white women... Beauty is what you make it. Im a black woman and I have been in a room with many white men black men white women puerto ricans and have had all eyes on me in both admiration and hatred. I love me and I could care less what some clown says about me being attractive because Im a "Black Woman" Im beautiful and no one can take that from me no matter what there type is.
WHO CARES? Wow, buncha babies. "Omg some study said black women are less attractive"....think about who participates in scientific studies. Now get over it.
DUDE. Hot schoolmarm lookin' scientific chicks participate in scientific studies. I'm all about that!
Hate to burst your bubble, but most men just don't consider black women to be attractive at all. Haven't you ever hear white people say, "oh, she's pretty....for a black woman" I lived in California, and I can tell you i see all races of women just about every day, most attractive ones are Asian, Hispanic, or White. I do see a few black women as well, but truthfully not many.
It's been my experience that you can "hear BW coming long before you actually see them!" They're just that loud! And, I don't want, or need that! And, I hate those weaves, and all that fake ass hair too! Nuff said!
Do you have an alternative for the Black Women's hair. We get the problem, we do need a solution brother.
He also said that black men are more attractive than white men... where is all the outrage over that?
Racism is acceptable if the object(s) is/are Caucasian.
You're not very schooled, are you? And also, based on your posts so far I have concluded you're a white dude with a small penis and no gf. If you disagree with my methodology you'll have to prove why I'm wrong.
Aha! The evidence is in. I've concluded that you're a short-haired overweight man-hating women's libber. If you disagree with my methodology you'll have to prove why I'm wrong.
BM are! I can't tell you how many times over the years that all kinds of people of all races look at BM and say that they're far more attractive than BW are! I'm sure reading that especially made BW mad as hell! BM can ...unlike BW go anywhere in the world as they do, and are and can be seen with all kinds of different women, but BW' don't have that same social scope of acceptance. Go just about anywhere in Asia for example...BW are viewed as the lowest of the low, and apparantly here in the US as well, because who's even marrying BW? If, BM weren't then where would they be? But, now even more and more BM are choosing to move on to non-black women. Only 29% of BW in the US are married! That's because they're viewed as undesireable, and by men of all races.
I'm sure that observation about black men being more attractive really made black women mad as "fish grease"! It appears that a lot of non-black women support that as well. Having to grapple with someone saying that their men are more attractive then they are must be a real issue to deal with, but it must be said that most black women aren't attractive, pretty, and certainly not considered as being beautiful. But, this is nothing new.
BM more attractive than BW?...lol As, a BM I can understand, and also appreciate how BW feel having to have that put in front of them. But, I think that has a lot to do with the fact that more, and more BM are themselves embracing more non-black women, and are also in kind being embraced by non-black women acros the board today! Fra more than are BW by non-BM. Also, on an international level BM are even further being readily accepted, than are BW as well. I lived in Asia for six years, and saw only three BW there! Most are to be honest...shunned! And, also viewed as being in general undesirable for marriage on any level. That's the bitter reality! here in the US even though "some" BW are marrying outside of their race, most aren't! And, that's because most men of all races don't care for them, nor find them to be as attractive as whites, Hispanics, Asian, or others. So, just based on that fact yes I'd say that without a doubt BW are viewed as the least desirable for marriage. that just didn't start happening last week, month, or even 40 years ago.
@ Critic
Your comments are just the kind that you'll find on just about any site that's frequented by BW. If, they aren't calling anyone that has a different point of view about whatever the topic may be, then you're calling people names! And, here's another foolish example of more BW's ignorance in the comments posted by yourself and your idiotic conclusions about him being a white man, but you don't know that at all! And, pray tell what on earth does the size of anyone's penis have to do with this discussion? That, however is the same pathetic, ignorant, and stupid mind set that most BW invariably pout on display, and just about always resort to when they don't agree with another poster. If, you don't agree with someone then just agree to disagree. Show the same respect that you also want. But, BW don't respect anyone, but want to demand it from others. Why must BW always have to cross the line with nothing but ignorance abound? Then, they wonder why no one, be they men, or women of any race don't respect them! Lastly, if BW are either that stupid, or just plain ignorant to believe that they're as attractive as White women, Latinas, or Asian women then you're apparently must have been living under a rock! Most BW are fat, have terrible manners, and attitudes! And, you know what they think that's cute! It's not it's just sad!
I am a black woman and i do not hate myself. There is an exception to the opinion that black women hate themselves.
However, as a black lady i do agree that the problem lie in us and i have always said, and will continue to say that Black women with the real black skin look better that black women who attempted to lighten their skin with this many fake and dead cream that makes them have burnt at the two sides of the chick close to the eye, burn their hands and their toes. And each time i see them, i am always disappointed. I am a black lady and am happy about myself and the last thing i will ever buy is a - whitening cream.
The reason for the study results is pretty simple: Robert DeNiro doesn't have time to fill out surveys
That's a really stupid comment!
i don't know Mr DeNiro personally, so i can't comment. But I do know that he was at one time considering divorcing his black wife. But, changed his mind because of his son. I saw her photo, and well as for myself I didn't think she was attractive in the least!
Why do BW always bring up Robert DeNiro's name? Just, because he's married to a BW?...LOL that's stupid as though he's the only one that is! But, I wish that i had a dollar for everytime I've herd BW bring him up! he he their poster child, or something?...lol That to me only shows the immaturity, and general foolishnes from BW. Please, give us a break, because that's tired!
Nobody should pay any attention to this guy's "research". There are so many problems with his methodology in this "study" and others from the get go that this is not worth your time. Trust me on this.
Why? Are you a black chick?
I'm white (and I'm also not Jinna, but I agree with her). Any other genius retorts?
Sure, I'll trust you. I don't know you. You've presented no evidence and this is an anonymous blog. Why wouldn't I trust you?
Put up or shut up. What's your evidence?
Personally, I find that attractive dark women are more attractive than attractive caucasian women. But there's more attractive caucasian women than there are attractive dark women. But hey, it's all subjective, right?
Well, sad to say, but there are lots of people that are paying attention to this article! Because they know it's the real truth! Even BW know they not as attractive a WW, that's why they're trying to look just like them! ..lol..lol
You better believe it! This is the topic of the month! And, for those that don't agree just go to your local mall, sit on a bench and watch the women pass by. If, you're in a mall that cateres to all races, then you'll see a stark contrast as it applies to beauty, and race. Sorry, but black women as usual place last in that race.
What bothers me is that BW have this attitude that if someone...well in truth anuone says anything about them then they get all in their usual tizzy! Like, everyone else has to be wrong all the time, and they right! To me that's little more than the BW's insecurity! If, BW were all that attractive (AS THEY SAY) , and hot, then why aren't more men marrying them? BW are, and continue to be the least married in the US for all races of women. I'm sure that there's a logical explanation for that continuing result. When this topic comes up, and BW are present, then that's all we see, and sadly expect is the all too well known use of the world hate coming from their mouths. Based on my personal experience with BW I have concluded that they just hate themselves, becuse of them being black, and are not being sought after as our non-black women. And, that mouth! Oh, my God. I don't have to say much more than that, because I'm sure that everybody on the planet knows about both the BW's mouth, and attitude. And, also work hard to stay as far away as possible!
@Jinna
Research isn't really required, one just have to have eyes to see. And, if you take a little time and look at most black women, and others like white asian and latinas then anyone can see that black women aren't as pretty as they are. Some are, but most no way!
"Black women are less attractive because they have more testosterone"??
"All women are more attractive than the AVERAGE, except for Black women," when Black women are like what, 12% of the female population?? Statistics fail too. I hope they fire this pathetic excuse of a "scientist."
This man isn't going to lost his job! Keep on dreaming! ...lol Nor, should he for telling the truth! Perhaps you need to look at BW better, because most aren't attractive at all! And, BW know that fact already. maybe they are to thmeselves, or in their own denial ridden mind, but not to the world as a whole!
Not, sure about testosterone levels in question, but black women are very manly in how they carry themselves. To most men that's a downer. There's, however a lot of truth in what the articles says. I think that black women believe that if they look like white women, then they'll be more accepted, but they're really just fake wantna be white women. Why have something's that fake, as opposed to the real deal? No, choice there.
The only thing that I can say is that, if mopre people would take off their sunglasses, and instead try putting on their glasses to see what's real, as opposed to what they imagine....then it'll be crystal clear to the overwhelming majority that BW are in fact ...NOT as attractive as most non-black women!
Wasn't she in the Fifth Element? And I thought she was a guy?
Please tell me why this S- - - -B is so upsetting to the many of our beautiful black daughters? STOP ALLOWING ANYBODY to define your worth. You are daughters of the KING. This type of printed foolishness has for many years, and probably shall continue for many more, be a source of friction. I have two very beautiful daughters and great sons-in-law who it seems. DO NOT AGREE! Some fool had nothing else to do but come up with this type of study. Why the HELL don't you try a comprehensive survey which could result in saving the many children in this country who are bullies, committing suicide, killing each other or their own parents! Any complaints (a bout our beautiful sisters) should be registered with the Master Manufacturer!
This is no more upsetting to your daughters in the least! No more than them having to wear fake hair, or someone else's DNA on their heads to try to look more attractive, like a white girl, or just like non-black girls! Some even wear colored string in their heads...which by the way simply looks foolish! The bottom line is that BW simply hate themselves for being black! just like their mothers, and grandmothers who walked down the very same path back in the day! BW have, and will continue thier best to emulate WW, and everybody knows that fact as well! It's because BW have no beauty standards of their own! So, they continue to embrace white standards, that they can't meet the standards, and never will.
What I find to be mentally destructive is for black women to subject their young daughters to wearing fake hair. Then at a very early age in their lives they become ashamed of their hair, and also for being black. Black women are the one's that is destroying their daughters minds, and contributing to the BW's low self esteems. Wearing someone else's hair on your heads don't make you white, attractive, and will never increase your value as a women. Guess, that's why 45% of black women will never marry in their lifetimes, because they're viewed as being undesirable.
i just viewed the post above by about the BW having two daughters. My first observation is why do BW always have to resort to calling people names or using their usual profanity and their tart tongue, as if they're children themselves? That's nothing but the usual, immature pettiness that the majority of BW always display! It's so sad that these women just can't have a decent discussion about anything without that kind of predictable behavior all the time! And, they want respect? Try giving some, and I'm more than sure BM will in turn do the same. But I wouldn't hold my breath on BW ever doing that! If, you don't agree then that's okay too! We as a people in most cases show little or no respect for one another, but then want it as if we have the corner on the market! But, even today BW haven't yet figured that out, and they continue to raise their children ...especially their daughters to have that same attitude. that's a few of the primary reasons why men don't want to be with most BW anymore! Who would? And, to be honest really who is? All, or in this case the majority of BW aren't beautiful, so stop saying that, because it's an untruth! the article in my opinion simply told the truth, a truth that BW know themselves already, and BW have a track record for not ever being able, or mature enough to accept the truth about themselves. Hopefully this article will open the eyes, and minds of BW with the sincere hopes that they'll "do better"! But, sadly I don't think that it'll make any difference. They would rather only continue to register their complaints, and play the race card. They love to play both the victims, and the race card, but hate to see anyone else to the same. Sad, but true. And, these women are our future? That being the case then we as a people indeed have a bleak futre to look forward to.
I don't see anything wrong with the conclusions his study came to. As a black man, I agree. Certainly not to say that all black women are unattractive. But, personally, I've noticed years ago that there are less black women I find attractive -- even aside from the fact that so many of our women are outrageously overweight and obese -- compared to others.
I think the racist connotations in commentary regarding this are ridiculous. If the findings concluded that black women were MORE attractive, none of those admonishing the man would have had a word to say. We don't mind being singled out when we think it benefits us. If anything, this just uncovers the feelings many of us already had about the subject anyway. If we're honest about it, many of the things our women do to be more attractive are taken directly from the playbooks of women of other races. The truth is, we already know what is being said is true, and that's why we're so upset by it.
If we truly believed it weren't true, we'd laugh at its "ridiculousness," and keep it moving. But here we are.
Finally, a voice of reason! And, finally an intelligent posting! Sadly, the only thing that appears to be BW's standards of beauty is the hair...which in the majority of cases isn't even their's! And, those ugly, goddy long nails! They BW as per usual ignore everthing else! Thinking that's all they have to do! Sorry, but those days of simply having a big butt are long gone! You have to bring far more to the table now in order to compete! the game has changed, but most BW are still stuck on stupid!
You both "hit the nail" squarely on the head! Too often when I'm out and about when I see most black women I just have to "shake my head" in disgust! More, often than not I ask myself, "did she look at herself in the mirror before she walked out the door?" then they get all upset, and mad when no one looks at them, or instead looks at a non-black women instead! Then here comes the "rollin eyes" and the big attitude! Lastly, if you date a black women and say that you perfer a woman that's alady most say "oh, you must want a white girl" Hell, what's up with that?..lol But, I got the message.
Its very sad that African-American men agree with this study. It shows the level of self-hatred and racial hatred that these men have for the women who made it possible for their birth. It reflects how white standards of beauty determine who they consider beautiful which unfortunately isn't women of their own race. Some of these men who commented on African-American women being unattractive are limited by the few African-American women whom they've come into contact with. They have quoted historical evidence of African-American women inferiority as if they themselves aren't inferior. This is why they are attracted to any woman but the African-American woman. They are trying to deflect the African-American males shortcomings. Historically African women were the most sought after whether they are thin or fat. White men have historically emasculated African-American men by having both white women and black women. African-American men and white women were always jealous of the relationship that white men had with African-American women. White men came into the African-American mens' homes and had sex with their African-American wives in front of them and when those same wives bore the white man's child the white woman felt her worth. Historically African-American men have always left African-American women to take care of everything, putting her in the man's role, while he ran away to seek his dream of obtaining what white men have---the world. But African-American men will never have what white men have, because they don't treasure what their own women have to offer. Trust me white men will treasure them. They already are. I know a lot of African-American women who are now with white men. They often say that the white man treats them better, they are less stressed, they don't have to worry about contracting HIV/AIDS because white men are more faithful, and that white men are better educated and less likely to do a five to ten bid upstate. Maybe that's why African-American women don't speak to African-American men---all they see is a dude with five baby mamas, hustling ex-con, who wants to live off of them. And for my white girlfriends who are dating African-American men, all I listen to is complaints about their man cheating on them, usually with a fat, sloppy, hillbilly white girl who has a little more cash. As I write this post, I'm sitting here comparing African-American men to my white boyfriend and I must admit, It's a change from the usual bullshit. He's very refreshing and please don't say white men can't "jump", cause he jumps better than any brotha I've ever been with.
And by the way, I'm African-American, dark-skinned, with no bumps or acne, I have naturally curly hair which I wear natural, I'm 5ft 3in. and I weigh 120 Ibs. My BMI is <19. I'm college-educated---I have a Master's Degree in History, a Bachelor's Degree in Anthropology, Black Studies, and Native American Studies, I speak German fluently as well as French and the Gullah language, which is the only language of the slaves to survive into this century. I am by no means insecure and take no heed to this study, what I take issue with is the way that African-American women are being blasted by African-American men, who have no reason to berate them as American society, indeed the world sees African-American men as criminal, pathological, sexually-depraved, beast who belong in prison. If you need proof check the statistics on African-American men and the Judicial system, African-American men and the incarceration rate, African-American men and the graduation rate at colleges and universities, and African-American men and the unemployment rate and child support rate. Then tell me who is the most unattractive.
Most, BM agree with this study, because it represents the truth! Now, if you want to talk about what's sad, then please tell me why all these BW are literally so ashamed of themselves to the point where they continue to deny who, and what they are? You have no idea how pathetic it is to see the majority of BW wearing all this fake hair! It's beyond being an embarrassment! And, unfortunately other races of people , even BW themselves laugh at you as if you were the joke of the week. BW go through hell, will try to walk on water just to try...to look like WW, but can't! Why are you so ashamed of who you are? We continue to hear all this rhetoric from BW about them being Queens, but in reality most aren't even yet ladies! So, that goal of ever being a Queen is little more than a myth in their minds. First, try growing up for a change! And, here you again as a BW are only attempting to "flip the script" when it comes to your own self hatred. If, you want to blame someone, or anyone for your self hatred...then start with your mother! Don't you realize "yet" that trying to look white is nothing more than self hatred for who you are? Apparently not! So, do those BW that have a preference for non-BM also hate themselves as well? Or, hate their fathers too, as BW assert for BM hate their mothers just because they date/marry non-BW? In the mind of the BW of course they do! Enter ,now into the BW's double standard mentality! Hey, I never said, nor read in any of the comments posted here that anyone said BW were inferior! That your own self hatred seeping out again! That's the game that BW always play..nice try again, but it's not going to fly this time! Most BM are attracted to non-BW because most men of any race has a preference for being with women that have evolved to being ladies! Of, which that's something that the majority of BW seem to know little or nothing about! BM have issues as well, that's true! but look who's raising them! If, you have any knowledge you'll also see that the overwhelming majority of young BM with single mothers develop a hatred for BW, because they see how BW really are! And those young BM have to continually hear their mothers putting down BM all the time...those men just happen to be their fathers, whether their in their lives or not. But hear that your daddy ain't this, or that for years takes its toll. So, BW are the feeders of p the same hate that eventually comes right back around! But BW are also in complete, and utter denial...as usual. And of course playing the blame game< It's always somebody's else's fault, but never yours! Playing the victim is what BW do best, and also lie! Usually by their teen years the seeds have been planted! Remember, also when BW as usual "shot off their mouths" to the world proclaiming that they didn't need no man"! What other race of women ever said anything of that nature? None! Only ignorant BW! Like, the old saying goes, "be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it"! And, BW got just, and more than they wished for! And, then after seeing the error of their ways did what they do best. That's to complain! You made your own bed, so BM obligated you and moved on to non-BW. Stop playing the victim again, that's tired, and the same old game that has seen its day! Your issues are because of you, not BM. You wouldn;'t have all these OOW babies if you just kept your legs closed, and also embraced safe sex like most BW don't! Now, here you' are a talking about WM...lol, but get your nose out of joint when a BM mentions a WW...lol Don't you know that WM don't want you either? If, they did then they'd be marrying more of you! So, again the jokes on you! You are the one's that started laying down with WM, and not all of you were victims of rape as you continue to allege! Learn your history, and you'll discover the real truth! That's also a big lie! Most of you wanted to have that "pretty baby"..the one that dodn't look like yourself! That also makes you happy! BTW...That's self hatred! So, you know some , or as you say a lot of BW are with WM! Who cares? Is that another attempt to make BM feel bad? If, so then your attempt failed! ..lol Sorry, wrong century baby! WM may be with you....for a booty call or foir awhile, but clearly "most" will never marry a BW! One in every 400 WM marries a BW! So, don't get your hopes up! If, you don't believe that fact, then check the marriage stats to see that reality! And, if some WM are as you say, and I agree with that are with BW then look at the KIND of BW that they're with! Most are not the typical unattractive BW! If, you're a BW, and you look like let's say a Halle Berry, Beyonce, or Alicia Keyes...then you got action! But, the majority of BW couldn't, and don't look like any of those BW even on their best day! Most BW are either very average, or below! And, WM, or even BM don't want them! Don't get into the HIV/AIDS thing, because BW are the most diseased group in the US today! For both HIV/AIDS, and all STD's. That's also a fact! Is your White BF going to marry you? I'm sure he's not, because most WM don't want black babies! You'll find that out soon for yourself. Ah,,,So, you're a dark skin BW...now it makes more sense!...lol You say that you have a WM, but here you are providing your so-called vital stats as if you're throwing your net! Who cares what you look like? ...lol I haven't viewed any other post that has that! Nor, do we require your resume. You must be really desperate!...lol I'm sure from what I has read here I'm sure that most of the BM here also have a college education just as I do, but that's not the topic! Why do BW like you always feel a need to validate yourselves. That's just your all too well know insecurity again! And, we know how insecure BW are, and can be. yes, some BM are blasting BW, but BW haven't done the same, and for years? Or, have BW like you forgotten about all about that nonsense? Now, just like with this article you're getting a bloody nose, and you don't like it! Well, that's just too bad! Get used to it, because this is just the tip of the iceberg! I agree about the incarceration rates for BM, but perhaps you also better check out the stats for BW that are also incarcerated as well! You'll be surprised! Yes, more BW are receiving their college educations than are BM, but again look who's raising them! And, you wonder why BM are moving on? Number one because they can! BW can't because 71% of you are single and most with OOW babies, and not by choice, but that's the bill of goods that BW try to always sell! Sorry that's a no go! 45% of BW will "never" marry in your lifetimes, and 62% have never been married, and only ...yes only 29% of all BW in the US today are married...that's also the least for all races of women! Why is that, if BW are so attractive? The answer is that BW as a whole are viewed as undesirable by men of all races! That's also a fact! To answer your final question, Black women are the most unattractive, and continue to be! You don't see WW, Hispanics, or Asian women whinnying about being unattractive! Because they already know they got BW beat! Have a nice day.
Its your WW having mixed breeds..that grow up as BM with issues. Beyounce is the only all BW you mentioned ..BOTTOM LINE YOU ARE JEALOUS OF BLACK WOMEN...WE ARE YOUR BIGGEST THREAT..AND YOU KNOW IT. I hope that one day you have a better experience with BW. You are a very sad being with a small peter!
BW a threat? To who? ..lol Please, don't make me laugh! If, you are then you're only a threat to yourselves! Now, I would agree had you said that BW are the most undesirable for women, then we'd be on the very same page! Nobody, wants you! That's why BW are the least married race of women in the US today at only 29%! 45% of BW will never marry in their lifetimes, 62% have never been married, and 71% are single most with OOW babies! And BW are also the highest risk group in the US for HIV/AIDS , and all STD's for all races of women, and both genders! BW also lie about WM wanting to marry them because they don't, but BW are, and continue to be the last option on the list for men of all races. 93% 0f the time a white man passes over a BW for another race of women. And, also BW are the most divorced! BW, are and continue to be the most diseased segment of the American society today, and 80% of you are overweight...again as usual! Sorry, nobody is all that interested in FAT BW, oh excuse me "CURVY" BW....same thing!...lol..lol FAT is FAT! I'll let you do the immature name calling, because that's what BW seem to do best! I'll just stick to the real facts about BW.
You spoke of double standards of the self hatred earlier, but you are the one showing hatred for "Black Women" which again I must say that if you are indeed a BM then you are engaging in a bit of self hatred dear. I truely feel sorry for you because you are so angry in your 1st post. The young lady -voicesovertime made very clear and concise statement never once showing self hatred and here you focus on ideas such as: weave and BW trying to be white. Here's a tip research "Extensions" you will indeed see that all women wear them not just black women. And for the record not all BW wear fake hair. You really need to see a psychiatrist you need help my friend. You need help. LOL OH YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK I JUST SAW YOU ON DAVE CHAPELLE YOUR NAME WAS "BIGSBY" GOOGLE IT! LOL THAT WAS A JOKE BUT REALLY MAN YOU NEED TO TAKE A BREAK.
Brother you laid it out pretty darn good! It seems as though black women ....well most sound like a broken record! Never really saying anything new, but always the same thing over, and over! If, BW would try investing one tenth of their energy into being ladies, as opposed to these Nene Leakes wantna be's then they'd fair far better in society in general, and also be more appreciated. What BW don't understand is that BM couldn't care less about them being with WM, that's their bussiness, so why are they so involved with what the brothers are doing? It's clear that BW in general are not wanted by the majority of men of all races, but its understandable why. Stay the course my brothers!
Its sad people are inferior to BW just like back in the day, they would cut off the BM penis in place it in a jar.......please study your history.....oh..I forgot the WM always try to conceal the truth...oh but...you can't handle the truth. Hands down Jon ... I know I look better than any women...and more of a lady than your usesto having (if you even deal with women at all). Please don't get things fucked-up...I told you due to your small member you know where a BM with a big penis comes from a BW..so why not take them down. And for you sell-out Carlton's (BM) we don't want you anyway...I'd rather be single. But Jon, since your so big on the unionship of marriage..why do you people kill your WW...is it because of their pancake backs or that morning ghostly wolf look?
When you speak so sadly about my folk its from slavery and the generations that its hurt from lack of resources and the father being taken from the home structure.
Like back in the day...they warned smoking pot leads to BM having sex with WW.....remember to have Alicia Keys it takes both you and me.
As far as marrying any WM....unless you look like Michael Douglas in you early sixties baby...we wouldn't want you pink ass....with all that wide back!
Youo sound like a flaming drag queen...IF YOU'D LIKE US TO GO TO THE GYM ..WE WOULD IN RETURN LIKE YOU TO GET SOME SOUL IN YOU. Not just up and down hit some walls..and you weak lame BM...get a backbone and watch "Do the right thing". Jon you would have the balls and we know from your comments you don't have the penis to go up to a BW and tell them how you feel. We don't want you Shaggy from Scooby Doo ass...we know your breath stinks and you smell like ass!
You must believe that you're inferior, since you and all these other black women are trying to look like white women and wearing all that fake hair. So, why are you doing that in the first place? That's if you already know in your hearts that you are as you say inferior. Black women are simply foolish! And, the world is just laughing at you. Why shouldn't they when you come here online showing how immature, and childish you can be. No wonder BM are leaving you! Did you take a minuet to read your comments before you posted them? ..lol They only show how ignorant you really are.
White women wear fake hair just as much if not more than black women... You guys really need to use google.
So who are white women trying to "look like" when they wear fake hair??? All this dumb talk about fake hair--women of all races wear fake hair these days. Look at Britney Spears, J Lo, Jessica Simpson, etc. And if ALL of the black women you're encountering are loud, overweight, wearing ridiculous weaves and nails, then you need to get out more. You're clinging to these absurd stereotypes about black females--if you're in a professional field, you've had to encountered SOME black females who do not fit this dated stereotype. Says a lot about you and your circle. Furthermore, not every black woman aspires to "look white". What planet are you even on?? You're just blindly tossing out these ridiculous stereotypes--any educated person knows that the types of blacks you describe are on a lower socioeconomic scale and do NOT represent all blacks. As for the woman in the pic--if you don't find her attractive, that's fine, but most ppl who don't adhere to bias stereotypes can clearly see she's an attractive black female. Her hair is natural-no chemical relaxers, weaves, or extensions. There are plenty of blk females who have no problem with their natural hair. Get out of your ignorant bubble.
This is clearly a BW "Roast" Lol it's really sad that there are still people out there like this and they say that this thing called racism was in the past let it go. ... Tell me how can you let go of something that is constantly placed in front of you. How can you expect a person to not have anything to say when you clearly are discriminating against them??? It's pure ignorance.
I'm not even going to talk about the study. I am 100% African though I live in the UK; the African men I know love their women... and the African women I know don't consider white women a threat. Notice I said African and not African American. Before anyone goes on about how I am a bitter black woman... I am not :) You may not find me attractive but I know loads of Toms', Dicks' and Harrys' who are Caucasian (quite literally also) that do.
What I get from the men saying 'black women are generally unattractive because of their hair, skin, size and what not is that black women don't stand a chance. That's fine for you if you don't like them. Thankfully not everyone thinks that way.
The irritating theme is the bit where black women are trying to copy white women by straightening their hair, adding hair extensions and wearing colored contacts.
Black women straighten THEIR OWN hair (and not the extensions only) because it is easier to manage. Caucasians also straighten their hair (Check how much GHD hair straighteners bring in in revenue), curl it, crimp it etc so should we say their hair is not natural when they manipulate it also? It's kind of how some people say Caucasians tan to look black. That's stupid. They may just want more color to their skin or something and not necessarily trying to copy any race.
Hair extensions are designed to add volume and length to ANY hair (A lot of women swear by it regardless of race- Cheryl Cole is an avid fan).
Again... colored contacts weren't designed for black people but for everyone and anyone. They were designed to change up style.
So there! Call black women gorilla relatives for all I care but leave the copying bit out as it's clearly not valid.
The situation is what it is. Of course no one wants to hear that they are less attractive to the opposite sex than someone else, but attractiveness is subjective.