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Rick Santorum claims he is victim of "gay jihad"
By Kelly BourdetAugust 29th, 2011, 4:00 pmComments (90)
Possible Republican Presidential candidate Rick Santorum claims that the gay community — in response to his statements equating homosexuality with polygamy and incest — has embarked on a jihad against him. He's likely referring, in part, to the efforts of sex writer Dan Savage to equate the name "Santorum" with a fairly unflattering sexual byproduct.
Santorum enigmatically explains his position on gay marriage, the source of his persecution:
I said, 'This is a napkin. A napkin is what a napkin is. It isn't a paper towel. It isn't a car.' You can call a napkin a car, but it doesn't make it a car. You can call a paper towel a chair, but it doesn't make it a chair. Marriage is what marriage is.
Actually, Rick Santorum, this nonsensical series of "logic" statements, in which you randomly named objects in your immediate field of vision, does not actually prove your point. You're right that calling a paper towel a chair will not magically transform said paper towel into a chair. Really excellent point there. But a marriage is a contract, not an immutable physical object. We can change our contracts to better serve those who want to enter into those contracts; we can reexamine and change definitions within them. This is actually not at all like turning a napkin into an automobile.
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Dude, this guy is gayer than I am.
Wow. Just wow. That's like the Chewbacca defense.
well played!
The only thing he's the victim of is the delusion that after Pennsylvania got wise to him and bounced out of the Senate with less than 40 percent of the vote, he should somehow be running for president.
Does anyone doubt he is, if not the victim, then the target of a gay jihad?
Only if homosexual Muslims are waging a holy war against the great infidel, Rick Santorum.
Although it's predictably moronic of Santorum to try and conflate homosexuality with terrorism. How very FOX of him.
How very silly of you to miss the point entirely.
Did I miss the sarcasm tags?
Well, technically, yes. He is the target of a halfhearted, snarky jihad. If I got up in front of a bunch of people and told them that you and your mother enjoy crazy hot incest, with your faithful hound as a creative third, you would be a little torqued. I'd say it with passionate belief in my voice too. He equated homosexual sex to bestiality and incest. Us homosexuals have a good reason to be a little pissed at him.
If a straight person targeted a gay person, to the extent that when you googled their name a somewhat less than complimentary definition, would it be accepted by the gay community as anything other than a hateful act?
If the straight community worked really hard so that googling "dan savage" returned something along the line of "Dan Savage - what you get when the best part of your father's load ran down the crack of your mother's ass" would anyone find that acceptable?
Because poor Rick Santorum, who's whole reality and political platform is based upon ignorance and bigotry is such a victim. You also forget that Dan Savage isn't running for President and most likely doesn't care what pops up when he's Googled. Only the religious hypocrites find these types of pranks truly insulting.
Rick Santorum obviously doesn't believe that those in the LGBT community deserve the same rights as those in the straight community in this country. He equates homosexuality with actual crimes like incest. If he's slandering the LGBT community, why can't they slander him back?
P.S. Straight people HAVE been targeting gay people for a long time in this country. I'm pretty sure they understand the way it works. Countless other straight people have seen it happen and did nothing about it. What makes you so upset now that Dan Savage is doing to ONE MAN what he and like-minded individuals have done to millions of gays?
This is a false equivalency. Right-wing "Christian" religious zealots are not being beaten and hung up to die on fence posts, they are not being denied the right to marry other right-wing "Christian" religious zealots, they are not being prevented from seeing in the hospital the other right-wing "Christian" religious zealot with whom they have spent their life, or having a right to inherit or to continue to live in the same abode, etc., etc., etc. The "gay jihad" isn't trying to deny Rick Santorum any of those rights and opportunities. That's the difference.
And Santorum isn't advocating "beating and hanging up to dry on fence posts" gays.
Talk about false equivalency. The usual broad brush painting treatment demonizing a person with all the evils of the world.
@ "@profbert": Nice of you to create a quote for something nobody said.
He is advocating a view that gay people are less than full citizens -- indeed, less than human when he compares homosexuality to bestiality. That kind of vileness contributes to an environment where gay-bashings and lynchings occur. By your logic, the words of the George Wallace's and Lester Maddoxes in the 1950s and '60s had nothing to do with the deprivations of blacks' civil rights, including beatings and lynchings. Only someone willfully blind to reality could believe that.
Talk about false equivalencies and being willfully blind. You normally express yourself more intelligently.
Rick, Rick, Rick...please take that tiny first step out of that closet. Me, you, and the whole world will be so much better off. Come on now - I know you can do it!
Wow. Belittling Santorum by impying he's homosexual. Amazing.
It seems more like an observation, since so many anti-gay Republicans tend to turn out to be self-loathing closet cases. It's too bad that they can't be openly gay.
It's more a case of belittling gays by labeling Rick Santorum as a Gay.
At least that would be less hypocritical. A bit less.
Exactly right, Dan Savage. But the Nerve community doesn't really function well with logic, so your point will be lost on them.
Except the "Dan Savage" above isn't using logic. He's trying to make a bigot look like a victim.
The litmus test in my eyes is if the reverse the roles.
Place an openly gay person on the receiving end of the actions taken and does it stand up as acceptable treatment?
I know the golden rule doesn't mean a whole lot to those who find it easier to attack someone with names rather than debating the issue in an open and civil manner.
Are you getting anyone to join the cause other than those who are already on board with these actions?
You're doing nothing to get Santorum to the table and debate the issue, where he can prove himself a fool, in fact no one would expect him to come to the table if he's going to be 'savaged' when he gets there.
Stick to the facts, stick to the issue, and you win, lower yourself to petty name calling and you lose the debate in my book.
Reversing the roles makes no sense. The only line of reversal you offer is sexual orientation. Well the "reverse" of Santorum is not simply a gay person. That would saying Santorum is just a straight person. But he is (well was, when he made his most asinine antigay comments) an elected official, using his privileged access to media to spew nonsense and hatred. What's the reverse of that, a gay person with no money and no access to public audience?
The golden rule is nice, but it's not politics. MLK, Gandhi-type action rests somewhat paradoxically on the brutality of the other side. Sit-ins without beatings would have amounted to naught, to put it bluntly. But Santorum is no 50s bonehead. This does not mean that he ever comes to the table. When they're cornered, Santorum and his ilk still do not come to the table; they pay lip service to freedom of speech and slink away, wrapped in the flag. To have a conversation with somebody, a table is nice, but you also need that person to want to engage in conversation. You're implying there was a debate between Santorum and Savage in the first place. I don't think there ever was. And if equating homosexuals and animals is not name-calling, I don't know what is. Just because the name-calling is done in the ineffable tradition of TV politics doesn't make it any better.
@Dan Savage: Bigots always lose the debate, regardless.
Exactly. And we're seeing plenty of bigotry here. To wit, profrobert's demonization of "right-wing Christian zealots." A debate lacking in respect is simply name-calling.
@ "@jr": You seem to have confused bigotry for valid criticism. Turning the bigots into victims doesn't work in a conversation populated by smart individuals.
How very convenient, jr. When a bigot says something you agree with it's valid criticism. When someone says you disagree with, it's due to bigotry. Not an approach favored by intelligent individuals, jr.
Ok, I'll bite: Prove to me that profrobert is a bigot.
Is that a demonization? There's no such thing as a zealous right-wing Christian?
You reverse the roles and...what? Santorum's comments remain totally appropriate, while Dan Savage is the bigot?
@ "@jr": I'll take it from your lack of response that you didn't have anything to back up your claims.
You can dish it out, Ricky, but you can't take it, huh? You were a laughingstock well before St. Savage turned you into more of one. Such a forthy little mixture you are.
Gays are so funny with their obsessions. I mean, I don't know why the idiots at Nerve are so into Rick Santorum. And did you read the last paragraph? Jesus, this guy is a writer?
My advice to the Nerve writers, GET A LIFE!
Try living outside of the parochial bubble that is "NYC".
Interact with people who aren't activists, artists, musicians, anthropologist (waiters) and other pseudo intellectual bums.
You're right: Nerve writers should get out of boring old NYC and stop caring about everything interesting or thought provoking.
You have to admit, jr, that Greg is on to something. The quality of writing on nerve leaves a lot to be desired. The last paragraph could be entered in one of those "how bad can writing be" contests.
Well, it's not exactly AP style, although I highly doubt it is intended as investigative journalism.
I concur. A screed is a screed.
Except Greg isn't really dissing the quality of the writing, just hurling the usual heartland conservative hate towards NYC. Yes, all "musicians" and "artists" are not only bums but gay obsessed liberals come to take your Christian dominion and defile it under the atheist reigns of a "no world order".
I suppose we should all move to the bucolic pastures of Nebraska and spend every night reading the Old and New Testament an hour before bed? Am I allowed to generalize?
Sorry, not a heartlander ... just a New Jersey native that gets a kick out of all the people who move to NYC from "fly over country" and become so hip and self-absorbed. You don't know how funny it is to hear some Maryland fuck talking about whatever that latest hip place is in whatever hip section of the city. People who move to be part of a scene are lame. Go back to your lame ass state and try to make something of your self there.
NJ is perhaps the penultimate of "fly over country" since, at best, people land in Newark and then immediately get the fuck out of the state...on their way to...wait for it...New York.
@the original profr0bert- I'm a long-time lurker-occasional commenter, but I always appreciate your comments
Same here.
You are too kind, thank you.
Actually, if enough people agree and start calling a piece of toilet paper a paper towel, it will commonly come to be understood as a paper towel. Similarly, if we all start using toilet paper to clean up spills in the ktichen ratlher than wipe our ass, its utility is then that of the "paper towel" yet it maintains its name of toilet paper. It is not the utility of objects, or concepts for that matter, that define their meaning. It is the language and meaning construction that come to ostracize all other conceptualizations of an objects use or a concepts mobilization. Therefore, as seems to be the overwhelmingly increasing adoption of marriage as a term that refers to the union of humans, not the union of mutually agreed upon religious beliefs, as well as the increasing occurrence of actual homosexual marriages, the term "marriage" exemplifies the exact OPPOSITE of Santorum's infantile attempt at logic.
... as if we all didn't recognize it upon first reading. And, by we, I mean all those who posess even a modicum of intelligence surpassing Rick Santorum's, his use of the term JIHAD essentially usurps the basis of his entire statement and logic.
Did Santorum not see the YouTube vid of the "barbarian" gays flash-glitter-disco-mobbing Michelle Bachmann's husband's Pray-Away-the-Gay clinic?
No doubt sheet-wearing spoofers of Muslim extremists will flash-mob Santorum at some point with disco, glitter and gays!
I am here to say hi to every guy.
Happy to meet you hear.
Someone from the south once said, "you can say almost anything, about anyone as long as you end it with - God Bless Them". Rick Santorum, what an idiot... God Bless him.
Someone from the south once said, "you can say almost anything, about anyone as long as you end it with - God Bless Them". Rick Santorum, what an idiot... God Bless him.
Someone from the south once said, "you can say almost anything, about anyone as long as you end it with - God Bless Them". Rick Santorum, what an idiot... God Bless him.
Someone from the south once said, "you can say almost anything, about anyone as long as you end it with - God Bless Them". Rick Santorum, what an idiot... God Bless him.
Someone from the south once said, "you can say almost anything, about anyone as long as you end it with - God Bless Them". Rick Santorum, what an idiot... God Bless him.
Someone from the south once said, "you can say almost anything, about anyone as long as you end it with - God Bless Them". Rick Santorum, what an idiot... God Bless him.
Someone from the south once said, "you can say almost anything, about anyone as long as you end it with - God Bless Them". Rick Santorum, what an idiot... God Bless him.
Someone from the south once said, "you can say almost anything, about anyone as long as you end it with - God Bless Them". Rick Santorum, what an idiot... God Bless him.
Someone from the South once said, "you can say almost anything, about anybody as long as you end it with - God Bless him". Rick Santorum, what an idiot... God Bless him.
Someone from the South once said, "you can say almost anything, about anybody as long as you end it with - God Bless him". Rick Santorum, what an idiot... God Bless him.
Someone from the South once said, "you can say almost anything, about anybody as long as you end it with - God Bless him". Rick Santorum, what an idiot... God Bless him.
Someone from the South once said, "you can say almost anything, about anybody as long as you end it with - God Bless him". Rick Santorum, what an idiot... God Bless him.
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Gays strike back, well good for them !!! How much abuse is a community of citizens to take?
Looks like a lot of people are butt hurt on this forum., but I guess there are more than one reason why you guys are all butt hurt...
Well, lets just say that besides what is hurting your backsides now, truth also tends to hurt sometimes.
You make about as much sense as he does. And the sad thing is that you think this is clever.....Man, get a job (Oh and I am not gay....but I wish I had some fashion sense).
Poor, poor conservatives. Everybody knows that THEY are the victims!
A bigot can call himself Rick, but he's still Santorum.
I thought I liked penis but this guy is totally GAY BONES!
Wost comments section layout ever? What's with the fuckin' scrollbars? That's total Santorum.
Senator Rick Santorum is a dangerous, hateful person, and it is appropriate to point out his irrational position regarding same-sex marriage. It is also appropriate to point out that his use of "jihad" is a misappropriation of a Muslim religious term and thus perpetuates incorrect ideas about Muslims.
http://aymanfadel.tumblr.com/post/9544209001/would-non-muslims-stop-misu...
I really want to see a Gay Jihad.
I often use a paper towel as a napkin. And when I am exceptionally lazy I also use the dog as he walks by me laying on the couch.
Everyone seems to be forgetting that neo-cons use inflammatory topics like "gay marriage", "abortion" and "evolution" to scare the bejesus out of the number one voting demo, Old People. While the Old People take up these causes that go against their '50's version of morality, the neo-cons destroy Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and any other program not useful to wealthiest, most powerful members of the "club" that is the GOP. NOBODY should fall for this nonsense...
Marriage is not simply "a contract". A civil union is a "contract" between to individuals solely for the benefit of said individuals. A marriage is an institution sanctioned by society because, as a utilitarian rule, said union betters society as a whole more so than the individuals do separately.
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So, where were these 'homosexuals' in 1800's and up until 1960's?
actually i am waging a one man gay jihad against him. it's pretty epic, glitter and shit everywhere