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At age thirty, I've had four real boyfriends: Che Guevara, Jesus, G.I. Joe and, most recently, an anorexic-looking Troll doll with diminutive facial features and hair that stood straight up regardless of whether he'd been shaken.
   "Is he Jewish?" asked my eighty-nine-year-old grandmother when Troll Boy and I started dating.
   "His last name is Lord," I said.
   "That's a holy name, isn't it?" she said, optimistically. He drove a Mercedes. She needed this one to be Jewish.
   "Okay," I said, before hanging up.
   I was raised to expect this line of questioning. When the answer was visually obvious, as it was with Che (actually an Argentinean who looked a little like the revolutionary, sans facial hair), the question came in a different form: "What's your name again?" When I was dating Jesus (my blonde-haired, blue-eyed college boyfriend, who my great Uncle swore looked like an unkempt Christ), it came in the form of a sigh, followed by a statement: "I'd sure hate to have to disinherit you for not marrying a Jew."
   "Huh?" I said.
   "What do you want to have for dinner when you come to visit?" she replied.
   Who says old people don't get craftier with age?
   Lucky for Grandma, G.I. Joe came and went before she had time to inquire about his faith or lack thereof. And, lucky for me, for the past few years, my siblings have provided her with a temporary distraction. First, my older sister married a Goldberg.

Then, just when Grandma's attention had redirected itself back to my disappointing (a.k.a. Gentile) marriage prospects, my twin sister secured herself a Greenberg. Now that her wedding plans are under way, the phone is once again ringing:
   "Hi, Grandma."
   "So . . . do you have any special friends?"
   No, just a fuck buddy who lives three thousand miles away, but don't worry, the sex is amazing. "No, Grandma."
   "Well, the Katz's grandson just got married to the nicest Jewish girl."
   He's a creepy close-talker, and I'm pretty sure he's gay. "That's nice."
   "Don't worry, I'm sure you'll find someone soon."
   Much to the dismay of my parents and grandparents, all of whom are practicing Jews, the remaining singleton in the family has an aversion to Jewish men. I

My kind of faith was not going to dictate whom I chose to date.

have yet to seriously date — or, for that matter, sleep with — a Rosenstein, Bernstein, Cohen, Horowitz or Leibowitz. No small feat when you live in New York city and your last name is Levy.
   My friend Katy, an Episcopalian living in New York, can't understand this. She's exclusively dated Jewish men for the past three years. ("It wasn't something I planned," she explained. "It's just at the men I was meeting happened to be Jewish.") My friend Meredith, also an Episcopalian, married a Jew. And my friend Molly, a Catholic, is not only engaged to one but plans to raise their children as Jewish. "Gabe is proud to be Jewish — in a way that I've never been proud to be Christian," she told me. "I can't wait to share that with my kids."
   My inability to date Jewish men, while not something I'm proud of, is not without its reasons. There is the puerile desire to rebel against my family's expectations, which seem as antiquated as arranged marriage. Love is love is love is my way of thinking: if I'm lucky enough to one day find it, I'm not going to throw it away just because the guy doesn't have a mezuzah on his door. As I have reminded my parents constantly, just because a Jew marries a Jew doesn't mean there any guarantees: their own marriage dissolved after nearly twenty-five years, and my childhood synagogue "lost" two rabbis to marital infidelity (theirs, not their spouses').
   "It's not just about being Jewish," my father once explained to me. "It's about finding someone with a similar background."
    This comment has always eluded me. I grew up in Austin, Texas, before the internet boom, before Michael Dell moved to town with all of his money, some of which built the city's first Jewish day school. When I was growing up, "Texas Jew" still seemed like an oxymoron. I went to a private Episcopal high school, where I attended daily church services and memorized the "Our Father" prayer in Spanish.
   Finding someone with a similar background was never going to be easy. And if the boys at my conservative synagogue were any indication of what was out there, I didn't want to. At age twelve, fleshy Howard had acquired a nasty smoking habit and a wardrobe that consisted solely of oversized death-metal tees. Nate had the personality of a piece of marble, unlike Leon, a hyperactive, pencil-skinny kid with a Jew-fro and A.D.D.
    Alan, one of the only other males in my class, was the only viable possibility. He was defiant toward our teachers (and Howard, Nate and Leon) in the way alpha adolescents are defiant toward authority figures and their weaker peers. His strong features and sinewy physique qualified him as attractive in both the Jewish and gentile worlds. He was also kind, at least always to me, and had an intoxicating swagger that only would be enhanced by the red sports car he got for his sixteenth birthday, acceptance into an Ivy League university, admittance into the top (non-Jewish) fraternity, and, upon graduation, a coveted job at a large financial institution in New York City. Alan was genetically destined to become the dashing, wealthy "money guy" he is today. But even at age twelve, I knew I never wanted to marry a money guy (though, to be honest, I'm still not sure what exactly it is that "money guys" do except live in doorman buildings and pay for dinner with credit cards that don't get declined).
   Still, once I was on the East Coast, guys like Nate, Howard, Leon and Alan seemed to be everywhere, along with legions of women vying for their affection. My first year at Barnard, I met dozens of orthodox Jews who were pining exclusively for my Hebrew schoolmates' doppelgangers. With their long denim skirts that doubled as chastity belts and no-sex-before-marriage-crushes, they were as foreign to me as I was to them.
   "Why do you only date Jewish men?" I once asked Naomi, a stunning orthodox redhead who lived across the hall.
   "Because," she said, as if it were the most asinine question on the planet, and left it that.
   Her answer, devoid even of dogma, stunned me. My kind of faith involved taking ownership of a particular history, but it was not going to dictate whom I chose to date. Sophomore year strengthened my resolve, and senior year sealed the deal. That year, I met countless Jewish guys who were socially savvy and fun to be around, but each one seemed as unattractively predictable as the next: for their first three-and-a-half years in school, bong hits, beer pong and gentile girlfriends were embraced as harmless-yet-essential experimentation. Then, once the job interviews

Bob Marley and Kind Bud were the only gods I'd seen them worship.

began, their drug use and gentile lovers were compartmentalized into memories of their "crazy youth," and they did what their parents expected: stop fucking around, stop fucking shiksas and start looking for "nice Jewish girls" to marry.
   Not that there's anything wrong with that. In fact, whenever a wedding invitation from one of my Jewish guy friends arrived in the mail, I envied him. What I didn't envy was the seemingly robotic way in which every single one of them eventually adhered to their parents' prescription for life. I'd eaten bacon with these guys. Bob Marley and Kind Bud were the only gods I'd seen them worship. When they were logging on to JDate or exchanging their High Times subscription for Heeb, did they ever stop to ask themselves why?
   In all fairness to my college buddies, it's not only their lack of inquisitiveness that I resent, but also that of my non-Jewish friends in New York who've tried to set me up with "a nice Jewish guy." Not once has anyone tried to set me up with someone outside that category.
    For years, I believed this was more about appearance than any values. I've been asked by strangers in more than half a dozen countries — Argentina, Spain, Thailand, East Williamsburg — if I was Jewish. And the question, which always comes out of nowhere, reminds me that regardless of what or how I believe, I look different from most people. I look like a religion. On the few occasions that I've heard the words, "Really? But you don't look like a Jew," they were offered as a compliment. How can facial features represent the vagaries of something so private as one's faith? I don't want to date Jewish men simply because we make the most visual sense together.
   That said, seven years after moving to New York (a city that boasts more Jews per capita than any other in the U.S.), it's clear that the social inclination to pair Jews with other Jews isn't solely or even primarily about looks. First case in point: the continued existence of professional matchmakers, or modern day yentas. Take this passage from "What's Love Got to Do With It?", this year's Valentine's Day cover story in The New York Times Magazine:

        Professional matchmakers match exteriors. They have a finely honed ability to instantly classify people anthropologically, according to socioeconomic type, and pair them off accordingly. Matchmakers believe that people should stop their agonized search for soul mates. Half of literature concerns the perils of falling for a soul mate . . . And these tales always end badly, with disgrace and death, so that the normal order of society is restored. The new matchmakers take a traditional approach. They believe that people do and should marry within their tribes.

   So Jews should marry "within their tribe" to maintain "social order"? I never realized my romantic fate had such potential. I'd envisioned familial controversy, sure, but social chaos? That's a new one. And while we're on the subject, why is the featured matchmaker always described as a "comically exaggerated version of a Jewish mother?" Why, in this article, does Jewish seem to be the prime example of a commonality necessary for the perfect match? And why do most of the female clients mentioned come off as silly little caricatures of the Jewish-American Princess, the Prada-loving prima donna who wants nothing more than to marry rich and live in a penthouse on the Upper East Side?
   It's the perpetuation of the belief that Jews are only interested in marrying other Jews, and it extends well beyond print. Hence JDate, "the largest Jewish singles network" online. Its mission, as stated, is "to help strengthen the Jewish community and ensure Jewish traditions are carried on for many generations to come." I've never tried it. I concede that there's nothing entirely wrong with faith-based online dating — if religion is a deal breaker for you, going to qiran.com or catholicmingle.com makes it that much more likely you'll find your type — but doesn't the very existence of JDate promote the idea of Jews as an endangered species, sort of like pandas and ocelots?
   The truth is that Jews constitute roughly 2.2 percent of the U.S. population. That's about six million people, half the number of Jews estimated worldwide, and nearly the total number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. For me, these are daunting figures.

There is something obscene to me about marrying or dating out of responsibility.

They involuntarily galvanize in me a sense of obligation — to the past, to tradition, to victims of the Holocaust, some of whom are distant relatives. I assume that, by marrying within their faith, many of my college friends were fulfilling a similar sense of obligation.
   And yet there is something obscene to me about marrying or dating out of responsibility.
   Trying to make sense of it all is exasperating. So, I did what I often do when I embark on a journey (or personal essay) so circuitous that collapse seems imminent. I called my mom.
   "Mom," I asked, "why do you want me to marry a Jewish guy?"
   "Years ago I had a conversation with myself," she explained. "I thought, if you had to choose for your children between a man that loved them truly and a schmuck that happened to be Jewish, what would you recommend? And I'm pleased to admit that I chose the former. What's important to me is that you're all happy and in loving relationships."
   As they say on Family Feud, good answer. I pressed her: "But why did you have to have that conversation with yourself in the first place?"
   "It was just something that I faced up to and verbalized to myself," she said. "Yes, there are parents out there for whom the Jewish-ness of their child's partner is paramount, and I think it's bullshit. At my worst, my most rabid Jewish self, I would never have said you must marry a Jewish guy. It's too obvious that there is plenty of goodness out there that is not Jewish. So give me some credit here."
   "So what if I end up with a non-Jew?"
   "I would say to you, that's great, I'm happy, I love you and the person you love, but now you have to do even more work to figure out who you are and how much of that you retain and pass down. I would assume that someone who really loved you would love you for who you are, and wouldn't try and make you into someone you aren't. There are so damn many negotiations when you're with someone, it's pleasant to have as few as possible. If you're not having to negotiate how to spend Christmas, and Chanukah and Easter each year, it's one less thing to worry about."
   My head is pounding, and she hasn't even mentioned kids.
   "Plus, if you marry someone who isn't Jewish and you have children, what will you do?" she said. "Or do you say, 'We're not raising our children with any religion at all?' At some point, you have to pick and choose."
   What I don't have the energy to tell her is that, in some respects, I already have. If, one day, I have children, I will not raise them as agnostics. Nor, during the holiday season, will I decorate the house with Christmas trees and menorahs and Kwanzaa dolls and pentagrams. Will I subject them to Sunday school classes filled with Howards, Nates and Leons? To be honest, I'm not sure. But whomever I end up with, assuming I end up with anyone at all, will not be the kind of person who has a finite position on all things religion. It's a prerequisite.
   That said, having recently gone on a date with a techno obsessive who doesn't have the stomach for gory horror flicks (I recently paid $10.25 to see Amityville 4: The Evil Escapes), I'm still a long way from settling down. I suppose I could hit up a sperm bank, knowing that Grandma would spend the rest of her life figuring out how to explain that one to her friends, or I could take the gentler route and do as my mother said before she signed off from our conversation: "Don't look for a resolution here; that will make you crazy. Just enjoy the trip."
   But since I never much enjoyed the trip in the first place, I'll settle on a third option: I'll resolve not to be resolved. It's certainly not the conclusion I'd hoped to come to while working on this essay. I'd hoped, at the very least, to write myself into a state of indifference — toward my family's expectations, toward any lingering sense of marital obligation, toward anyone and everyone who thinks I should be with a Jew simply because I am one. Instead, it seems that I've come full circle.
   Yet I'm not exactly back where I started either. By beginning this, previously dreaded conversation — with myself and, yes, my mother — about the complexities of faith and relationships, I'm able to approach my love life and spirtuality with a little less anger, and a little more freedom.  






ABOUT
THE AUTHOR:
Tobin Levy has worked at Nerve, Talk
magazine, Contents and a book-scouting firm that made her an expert
on post traumatic stress disorder. Her writing has appeared in Men's Health,
Elle
, Time
Out New
York
and Teen People.





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Commentarium (29 Comments)

Apr 25 05 - 12:25pm
gmc

First, if the article was called "why i can't date a black or latino man" it never would have been published. why it is acceptable to print a piece in the same vein but about Jews is beyond me. Second, putting that larger issue aside, it was just too long and boring. Have a point, make it or atleast give the reader some enjoyment so they won't mind whatever it is you have to say.

Apr 25 05 - 2:03am
mw

I thought it was incredibly honest, heartfelt, and probably quite helpful for those in the same boat.

To answer the other comment about why the exception for the topic being Judaism, it's because it's a religion to most people and not a race. That's why I don't find her distinction offensive in the least. After all, even in a group of the most orthodox Jewish folks, you find people who look nothing alike. She didn't say, "Why I can't date Jewish-looking men"!

She's clearly talking about the culture and the religion, not a "race".

Again, great piece. Thanks Tobin!

Apr 25 05 - 11:20am
SDW

With a minority culture that's also a religion, that most believe is also a race, you have your work cut out for you. As a shiksa who married a gentile and we both became JBC after five years of marriage, it's pretty clear cut to my husband and me. The culture springs from the religion and the racial issues depend on what type of ethnic glasses you choose to wear. When you, and most secular Jews whom I've encountered, reconcile their own Jewishness, perhaps some of this kvetching on "nice Jewish boys and girls" will go away.

In the meantime, if you really want to see someone's head explode over a Jewish issue, try to get a Zionist Christian to reconcile that this white bread girl has no Jewish "blood" and yet is still Jewish....KABOOM!

Apr 26 05 - 12:32am
rht

gmc, why couldn't there be an article about dating black or latino men? there's nothing inherently inappropriate about discussing why you might have a tendency to date within or outside your own ethnicity/religion/etc. sounds like you have a bit of a political-correctness hair trigger.

as for the article, however, i too think it could have been a bit shorter and perhaps made a slightly more coherent point at the end. but there were some gems in there, and some really good writing. i always enjoy tobin's pieces.

Apr 25 05 - 1:02pm
A Z

Thank you so much for this article... I've actually been waiting for it since i saw the title about Jdate Identity Crisis in the line up. I'm 22 and I have yet to date a jew. I don't intend to for the same reasons pretty much.. And I've always had ethical issues with the separatism of religions... Well, without writing a whole article about it myself, I'll just say that it was really valuable to me to read your story. Much more writerly than I could have put it. Thank you. seals_for_president@hotmail.com

Apr 25 05 - 2:27pm
RR

as a fellow writer, based miles away in India, just to say that Levin writes that kind of stuff which, after reading, i find myself saying, 'Wish I wrote that.'

Apr 25 05 - 2:39pm

Wow! Reading your article was like going back in time...in my head. I was raised in an ultra-conservative Jewish family. As the only girl and the youngest child, it was commanded that "You shall marry a Jew or else."

All three older brothers married Jewish women. My middle brother is now estranged from the family because his wife is a bitch and my youngest brother got divorced 5 years after he married. He has since re-married an Irish shickza.

I too, never dated Jewish men. I just wasn't attracted to anything about them. 3 1/2 years ago I married an Irish, Polish, German mut of a man. He was raised with strong Polish traditions and that is where our commonality in family values lies. I will say that unless you are raised Jewish, you never really understand what it is like to be a Jew or how the world responds to Jews. There have been times where I can't quite explain that feeling of Jewishness and how it effects me and what I see happening in the world to my husband. But like you, I wasn't ready to forfeit the rest of what it means to live and love for that one fact.

My best advice (and I met my husband while we were living in NYC) is go out for drinks with your girlfriends with no makeup on, your hair in a ponytail and wearing sweats. It's always then that you meet the best men.

Thanks for the smile.

Apr 25 05 - 2:48pm
BDJ

I'm now weary with regret at reading to the end of this article. Ms. Levy stereotypes everyone (e.g., both "Che" to the "Money Guy") and seems unable to relate to men in a way that would allow real intimacy.

It is ironic that, for all her purported alienation from Judaism, Ms. Levy writing is rife with the neurotic droning that makes a lot Jewish American writing insufferable.

Apr 25 05 - 2:50pm
am

Yay Tobin. Your stuff is some of the best on nerve. You're not alone in the family vs. faith vs. self debate. I myself will not get married until my archtypal Catholic grandfather passes into a place where I won't hear his great plans for the Christening of my future kids. In the meantime, I refuse to date even the most apathetic Catholic. Thanks for another great read.

Apr 25 05 - 4:51pm
SDW

"I will say that unless you are raised Jewish, you never really understand what it is like to be a Jew or how the world responds to Jews." Interesting. Those *raised* Jewish have the monopoly on Jewishness and the world's response to Jews. I guess Ruth was just shit out of luck, huh?

Apr 25 05 - 9:47pm
NA

Dear Tobin,
Don't think about it. You can't control who you fall in love with, though I think, for the reasons you've written about here, you have been.

Apr 25 05 - 9:54pm
jcm

I for one love Jewish girls. They are smart, funny, and have healthy attitudes about sex and are great in bed. Besides, I have a very flexible attitude about religion, and if I married a Jewish girl, I would wholeheartedly integrate her beliefs into my life with the same passion I integrated her. Austin Natives yo!

Apr 26 05 - 12:21pm
sm

Your article was very interesting and made some interesting points, especially concerning the paring off of Jews as 'others.' However, your point that it seems that all Jews go with Jews is intersting because in my experience everyone except the Orthodox intermarries. I have maybe 2 fully Jewish friends, and many more "cashews," or half Jews.

In addition, I take issue with your answer here:

"Plus, if you marry someone who isn't Jewish and you have children, what will you do?" she said. "Or do you say, 'We're not raising our children with any religion at all?' At some point, you have to pick and choose."
What I don't have the energy to tell her is that, in some respects, I already have. If, one day, I have children, I will not raise them as agnostics. Nor, during the holiday season, will I decorate the house with Christmas trees and menorahs and Kwanzaa dolls and pentagrams. Will I subject them to Sunday school classes filled with Howards, Nates and Leons? To be honest, I'm not sure. But whomever I end up with, assuming I end up with anyone at all, will not be the kind of person who has a finite position on all things religion. It's a prerequisite."

All you have said here is that you don't know yet what you will choose. It is still a viable question that she asks.

Apr 26 05 - 4:15am
JB

Living in the Northwest I really started to notice my Jewishness in a way I hadn't before, because it's a really homogeneous gene pool out here. Much like Texas I imagine. But it wasn't just cultural - I was never much exposed to the culture; and it wasn't exactly racial; and certainly not religious. I think Jews are people who like to get their intellect involved with their emotions, and have a certain social creativity, which can be awful in the Philip Roth sense - or Woody Allen - but is usually nice to have around. Also, they don't have the sexual hangups of Xtian American culture, which are a drag to say the least.

So there's something to it, and I wouldn't look down my nose at those Yentas. I'd just take their Yiddish mutterings with a grain of salt. Cultures change. Races change. This isn't Poland 100 years ago. The average 30-ish person in New York probably still has no idea how their life will turn out. So, there's really no guidebook.

Apr 26 05 - 8:21am
JCF

I know the subtitle on this was "Why I can't date Jewish men", but the way I read it was, "Everybody wants me to date and marry Jewish men, but I am my own rebellious person and reserve the right to date or marry non-Jewish men, and if I happen to fall in love with someone who is coincidentally Jewish, well, we'll just have to prove to everyone that that's not the reason we're getting married." Of course, that's harder to fit in a teaser. Am I wrong, or is there a real "can't" in there somewhere?

Apr 26 05 - 8:48am
SC

"I will say that unless you are raised Jewish, you never really understand what it is like to be a Jew or how the world responds to Jews." Interesting. Those *raised* Jewish have the monopoly on Jewishness and the world's response to Jews. I guess Ruth was just shit out of luck, huh?

So are we, having to read you Protocols-influenced nonsense about Jews having a "monopoly on Jewishness (whatever that means) and the world's response to Jews."

Norman Finkelstein, move over.

As for these articles - give me a break with the adulation, people. They're just the usual I'm-a-sophisticated, multicultural-anti-Jewish-Jew dribble that show up in campus newspapers on a weekly basis.

Apr 27 05 - 12:19am
roc

you really don't look that jewish.

I'm a recovering catholic guy married to a jewish girl from canarsie. of course she's actually half jewish, her father is a recovering shristian of some sort, but her mother is enough jewish for the both of them.

follow your mother's advice. find someone you love who loves you. and follow your own advice - find someone with a more fluid dynamic in terms of religion and faith and holidays.

my wife and I don't really do easter with anyone but we definitely do christmas and passover. although I have to admit, my wife took her cousin and her's cousin's children to the eater egg thing at the white house this year. it got rained out - maybe god was telling them something, I really don't know.

both you and your sister write well. I enjoyed her piece this week too - I should probably give her her own feedback. I went to a jewish wedding extravaganza at the crystal palace and was similarly disgusted. there weren't that many nose jobs that I saw though. quite a place I must say.

Apr 27 05 - 12:59am
SC

"I'm 22 and I have yet to date a jew. I don't intend to for the same reasons pretty much

Apr 26 05 - 1:49pm
dmt

hey SC, there are bigots aplenty in all corners, but why does that make it wrong to write an article exploring issues of racial/ethnic/religious identity? people DO have thoughts about their own race and other races, and these thoughts (and prejudices) do enter into the equation when we think of love, sex and romance. for some of us, it's interesting to think about and read about these issues. and occasionally someone will get offended (probably you first, of course)... but that's just a by-product of open, honest discourse that needs to take place.

Apr 26 05 - 3:01pm
SC

"hey SC, there are bigots aplenty in all corners, but why does that make it wrong to write an article exploring issues of racial/ethnic/religious identity?"

Hey, GMC, I never said there is something wrong with exploring issues of racial/ethnic identity (you didn't get the point of my parenthetical), and I think these writers could've been onto something good, because there are plenty of Jews that have issues with Jews of the opposite sex. But these writers took the low route: stereotyping Jews who date other Jews as robots, while generalizing Jewish men, is hardly exploration, and bigoted imagery ("Jewish women using platinum cards," etc.) isn't sufficient to make a point. There are MANY Jews who date other Jews for reasons other than pleasing their parents, etc., and these articles are not meant to "explore" the practice. They are simply rants against it.

As someone who is single and Jewish and has gone through phases where I've wanted to date exclusively Jewish, I'm more than happy to discuss the problems and absurdities that are common in the Jewish singles scene. But that's only half the story - you're projecting a sophistication and depth onto these pieces that simply aren't there.

And you're bs'ing when you imply that this type of shallow treatment would be accepted if it were about other minorities: blacks, Muslims, etc. C'mon GMC, you know it wouldn't. If a Muslim or black writer did similar pieces that made all Muslims who wanted to be with other Muslims into mindless caricatures, this board would be filled with messages crying racism.

And finally, if you don't see the prejudice in remarks about Jewish noses, women with platinum cards, men who care more about pleasing their moms and having perfect finances, and people saying that they would never date ANY Jewish man for those reasons, then I'm afraid there's nothing I can say that will make a difference anyway, and I will always be overreacting in your eyes.

Apr 26 05 - 6:07pm
er

First thing I've ever read of yours and loved it. I think you have a great writing style, and I'm a goy who grew up and currently lives in a jewish area.

Apr 27 05 - 9:14pm
SE

Damn, you got some really out of line feedback. I thought the article was very well written, as usual. More importantly, it was exactly on mark with how unmarried Jews in the diaspora feel.

Apr 28 05 - 1:40am
SMF

That was wonderful. I have yet to figure out this whole thing myself, but reading your essay has definitely enlightened me.

I hope you, me, we find love.

Apr 30 05 - 5:34am
AG

You seem to be quite concerned with what other people think; Do you know the line in Hamlet, "I think the Lady doth protest too much?" You seem to have a bit of a stereotype regarding what "Jewish Men" are like. They are not all nerds, doctors, and lawyers. My family is Jewish; my father was a boxer and a drummer. My mother was a poet and a painter. I'm a professional actor, writer, and former model. I am married to a beautiful black woman whom my "Jewish" mother adores. I've had relationships with a blonde woman scientist who was Clinton's science advisor, daughters of diplomats and women who've grown up in the ghetto. I had a girlfriend whose father was the President of a European country. It is the individual that counts. It's funny that the tone of your message that purportedly had a ring of independence actually demonstrates that you are hung up on what people think and on labeling people, which are, in essence, atavistic traits of the stereotypical Jewish American princess. Now, I am sure you would not appreciate being perceived as such because it is a rather dehumanizing way of categorizing someone. But if you think my assessment is unfair, then perhaps my point is well taken. If I were to have such a preconceived notion of you, I'm sure you would find it unfair and denigrating simply because all labels of people are. I would only offer the suggestion that perhaps you have a narrow-minded family against whom you are rebelling. But the danger in that is that you can become narrow-minded in a complementary way. I fortunately grew up in a family that was ecumenical and considered the character of a person to be his or her primary attribute; such things as religion, race, ethnicity were of little concern.

ciao,hasta mas tarde, buona sera, sallam alechem, shalom, bon nuit, bom dia, good night, sleep loose.

Alan

May 01 05 - 7:11am
MTL

my mother converted but never felt fully jewish. i can tell you that having parents from different cultural and religious backgrounds made for a quick divorce and an ugly upbringing. it was family feud, but not like the television show, all my life. if that's what you want for your kids, a life full of questions, uncertainties and arguments, then go for it. sure, some people make it work, but if you look at the numbers, jews intermarrying doesn't work. and it does lead to the decline of jewish numbers, if that matters to you.

i think -as others have said- you're just against the idea bc people are pushing it on you. well that's a natural kneejerk response and you should think it out for yourself. but when you've done that, you shouldn't be ashamed to admit it if you turn out to agree with them. growing up means getting over rebelling for the sake of rebellion. instead, rebel against america's refusal to sign international environmental agreements. rebel for something worthwhile and quit being a spoiled brat. and read heeb, get over the stereotypes.

you're not attracted to jewish men? this, i can understand. you know what? they all remind me of my family and who wants to marry their uncle? come to israel. the jewish guys here are so different. i promise you will be attracted to them. i assure you, you will marry and marry jewish. look at your sister. israel is full of sexy jews. help me, we are fucking sexy. the hard part is choosing just one.

as to one writer's comment >>Those *raised* Jewish have the monopoly on Jewishness and the world's response to Jews. >>
yes, actually we do. and it's nothing against converts - ruth is a good example -but the kabbalists said converts were closer to G-d bc they CHOSE judaism. -it's about the experience. if you're not black, you don't know what it's like to be black. you don't know how people see blacks, how they react to them, you might think you do but you don't. there is anti-semitism in the u.s., much as it's become cool to be jewish in nyc, and only a jew who was raised jewish can tell you how that feels. i had my lower lip split wide open in wallington, nj, when i was ten and playing softball. an 18 year old girl came up to us, walked straight to me, said 'die jew bagel' and whacked me. i had to get several stitches and it was horribly painful, traumatizing and my lip is disproportionately large today. but what's worse, that wasn't my only experience like that. i feel comfortable in jerusalem, in a way i never knew was possible to feel comfortable in the u.s., bc i am among my people. there is no issue of acceptance. you do not know us, from your comment i'd say you do not know jews at all. i hope you get over your hatred, bc actually there are jews worth knowing, probably in your neighborhood.

May 02 05 - 11:00am
SDW

MLT- Fill in any distinguishing characteristic- natural redhead, eleven fingers, different ethnicity, a genius among morons- and they'll all cry the same sentiment- "It's a _______ thing, you just don't understand." When secular Jews begin to see beyond the blood- that they alone define what it means to be Jewish- then maybe they'll understand the convert's POV. In the meantime, it angers me that my religious and spiritual beliefs are negated entirely by too many secular Jews. Because I had defined as my personal spiritual beliefs long before I knew jack about Judaism and then learned that Judaism was, in fact, those beliefs, I chose to convert. It's nice to know that keeping Kosher, saying the Shema, celebrating Shabbat every single week, reading and studying Torah, meditating, keeping a Shalom Bayit, performing mitzvot has nothing to do with Jewishness according to Jews such as yourself. I am not "threatened" by any secular Jew's blood line or the degrees by which they have been discriminated. I wonder why secular Jews are so threatened by my belief system. Sabra Wineteer (BTW Sabra, is, in fact, my birth name) admin@sabrawineteer.com

May 03 05 - 12:39am
MAK

"It doesn't matter what my parents think" is really a litmus test for your relationship with your parents. The heart may indeed make it's own rules of attraction but the history of marriage for the most part is concerned with pre-romantic rationales: family continuity, heirs, property. The point is, the "find your happiness" mantra is a comparatively recent phenomenon. It's not guilt but, rather, the survival imperative of a minority people. Some people, as rebellious as they might seem at first, revert to the not unreasonable desire to not break their parents' hearts when they finally get serious with someone (if marrying Jewish is really that important to them. For the record, I had a freewhelling youth and my parents say they couldn't care less. Nonetheless, their disappointment was obvious when my brother married a blonde Christian from Virginia.)

The reason all the rabbis and "professional" Jews are freaking out is because they've come to the conclusion that if you don't thoroughly immerse a child in Jewishness from day one (cultural identity? brainwashing?) it's quite inevitable that little Rachel or David will come back from college with a date not of the tribe, and they freak out. When it happens, parents project their own feelings of guilt (what did I do wrong so that my child married a goy?). On the other hand, they have absolutely no damn right to make you feel guilty when you are merely acting as a product of your own experience and environment (freedom, diverse cultural influences, etc.)

In the end, I think it comes down to the fact that Judaism, like any culture (it's not merely a "faith," like Christianity) has to adapt or die. This meens it has to somehow accomodate free-thinkers, mongrels, and the Children of freak America who have tasted the sweet fruits of life among the nations. Either that or it will be reduced to its most reactionary, self-preservationist tendencies.

For me, there's no question that there are wonderful and sexy folks of all races, beliefs, cultures, etc. out there. In the privacy of a double bed the problems of the world disappear. But when you have become a couple, and represent yourselves to the world as such, family and others inevitably get involved. I don't want to ever have to celebrate Christmas with my inlaws or feel I owe them presents, or any other explanations as to why I'm not a Grinch. It's not too much to ask.

Best of luck. I sure wish I could meet more freethinking Jewish girls like you.

May 06 05 - 9:00am
mtl

sabra, you don't even hear yourself.

"I am not "threatened" by any secular Jew's blood line or the degrees by which they have been discriminated."

obviously this is exactly your issue. jews are not just joined by religion (you still don't get that?) - we are a nation. you can practice the lakota indian traditions and say that's your spiritual philosophy but you can't become a lakota indian. while you can become a jew, you'll never fully understand what we've gone through, growing up as jews and looking like jews. if you don't get that your cognitive abilities are not as i'd guessed.

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