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Lauren* is a "black widow" private investigator. This means that women hire her to seduce their boyfriends or husbands, thus proving they're capable of infidelity. Lauren spoke with us by phone from her office, somewhere in the American Southeast. (She made us promise we wouldn't reveal her exact location, and we don't want to mess with her.) Did she come out and say she slept with these men? Not exactly. But we know what's going on.Carrie Hill Wilner


Nerve: Hi, Lauren. how are you doing?
Tired. You?

I'm tired too. So I'm calling to find out a little bit about what you do. How would you explain your job as a private investigator to someone?
In what way? The technical side?

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Your definition of the job.
Usually we get a female client who hires us to test out a man's integrity in their relationship. Usually, the female lets us know what his daily routine is. We'll go say, to that pool hall, you know, a bunch of girlfriends, and we're havin' fun. And then we usually just try to go in his area, kinda sit there, you know, kinda talk to him. Nothing to really try to entrap anyone. We just go in there as a bunch of people talking, and see if he wants to, if he's interested in a little bit more . . .

And if he is?
Well, we always go by what the female client says. She tells us how far she'd like it to go. Some of 'em are happy with just seeing that he gave his phone number out. Some of them actually want a physical meeting to see if, you know, he just gave his number out because he didn't wanna be a jerk and say, "I'm not interested." Some of our clients like for us to actually meet them for a dinner, so the woman can see the guilt in the man.

Do some women want you to sleep with the guy so they can get out of the relationship?
There are women who want that, sure.

And you go along with that?
Do I sleep with them?

Or, you know, make out.
That's kind of sensitive information.

Sensitive?
I mean, we have special techniques.

Like, sexual techniques? Or the fact that you sleep with people at all?
The second.

But you already told me that. So you're not really safeguarding it.
It's sensitive information.

Okay. Most of the calls you get — are these women trying to gauge the state of their relationships, or trying to get evidence to use against their husbands in divorce proceedings?
Both.

Does it work?
Hell, yeah. You catch your husband in bed with a beautiful woman, you can use that against him however you want.

So you arrange a time for the woman to walk in on you having sex with the guy?
I can't tell you that.

Can you give me a hint?
No.

Are you beautiful?
You have to be. I mean, in this line of work.

Is this a line of work? Or is it just you?
There was another girl at the agency. She moved to Canada, though.

So, um, girl question: what do you wear? I mean, when you're going to entrap the guy.
We don't entrap anyone.

Excuse me. I mean "meet."
Normally, a little dress. Not real cheap, but enough to show off my body. Of course, it depends on the situation. If I'm going to, like, the monster truck show, I'll wear jeans.

The monster truck show?
For example.

The women who come to you — have they been married for a long time, or are these people in new relationships?
It all depends. The majority of ours are usually new — well, not so much new relationships, but people who are about to get married, been together a year or two and kinda suspect that their other half is gonna, you know, shy away from them and maybe be interested in somebody else.

Are the guys usually open to suggestion? Or are they like, "Oh my God, who are you, and why are you touching me?"
Most definitely. I'd say, if we have ten clients, eight of them will fall for it.

Do you ever hear from the couples afterward?
I would say a lot of the women in this field are a bit like therapists. At the same time, we're private investigators. We have actually built some friendships with our female clients. You know, I still hear from them to this day. And anytime they meet a new man, I'm the first one they call!

So wait, after you fuck — I'm sorry, sleep with — their husbands, you like, hang out?
Well, I don't necessarily sleep with their husbands.

But you do sometimes, right?
I don't think that's appropriate. I have lovely relationships with some of these girls.

Um . . . okay. What's your favorite war story?
This one woman I still talk to today, she was gettin' ready to marry a chop-shop owner, and she wanted to test him. So she told us where he would hang out on Fridays and Saturdays, and we went there with a couple decoys on a Friday night. We all got a dart board, like, next to him, started chattin', just as you would with anybody, you know. I mean, everybody's allowed to talk; it doesn't matter what sex you are. He ended up giving a business card to me. So we called, and he wanted to take me out to dinner. I met him at a pool hall, and he met me with a teddy bear and all that good stuff, and that's when the girl walked in.

Buuuut, you didn't sleep with him?
Did I say I did?

Right. Soooo . . . have you ever been figured out by the guy?
No.

Has this affected your relationships outside of work? Do men find it difficult to deal with?
No, they always find it intriguing; they laugh and love to hear the stories. And they'll keep in contact with Pete to make sure I'm okay.

Who's Pete?
He runs the agency.

And he has other girls who do this?
Oh, he has other girls. All our girls are beautiful, all of them. We have double-D's, we have little girls. We have women to fit every man's specifications. It's usually the female client that'll pick out the girl. But I'm the only one who does what I do.

Which is sleep with them?
I didn't say that.

Right. How did you get this job?
I was training for the police force surveillance unit when I met Pete and he was like, "If you think catching kids stealing soda from Wal-Mart is fun, wait 'til you see what I have for you."

Right. So it seems pretty wild. What's the most fun for you?
Um, just goin' out and partyin' on a Friday night and just havin' fun, bein' yourself and getting' paid for it. 

* - Name has been changed.










ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
Carrie Hill Wilner is a Manhattanite by birth and breeding. Still, she has lived in a lot of places and done a lot of things, and will probably live in others and do more. She is pretty sure she graduated from Columbia, but they never sent her a diploma.

©2003 Carrie Hill Wilner and Nerve.com

Commentarium (11 Comments)

Nov 19 03 - 1:58am
suct

carrie's interviewing skills are idiotic: "Like sleep with him?" 10,000 times. Are we supposed to think she's clever?

Nov 19 03 - 3:07am
ndm

This article is definitely a step in the right direction for prominent Nerve staffer Wilner. It's a fresh and provacative subject and its value was not wholly sabotaged by Wilner's adolescent prodding which (I felt) actually came across as marginally endearing. That said, I think there are many questions that went tragically unasked while Wilner fruitlessly hounded the sex question. I for one would have liked to know the PI's opinion on whether she felt the men she investigated were much likely to breach fidelity than the average man (indicated women's suspicions about cheating are generally correct) or whether she felt that men in general just weren't very faithful (indicating that men in general just aren't very faithful). I can't believe Wilner didn't ask! Perhaps as Wilner matures as a writer, her interviews will become more disciplined.

Nov 19 03 - 9:12am
JAB

I thought this interview was hilarious. The woman couldn't admit that she actually slept with any of the men (which would technically be PROSITUTION and ILLEGAL) though I think it's obvious that she sometimes does. Carrie was trying to trip the woman up into admitting this and getting her to drop her guard from her rehearsed answer to the question of whether she sleeps with any of the men. Hearing the woman try to so carefully tapdance around the truth was just hysterical. Apparently this humor was lost on the two responders below. Any person who would pay for such a service is beneath contempt in my opinion and their relationship is doomed to failure(and they have some SERIOUS issues). Not to mention the fact that you would have to be pretty cold blooded to take part in such a profession.

Nov 19 03 - 10:13am
HJ

I thought this was very funny. I also think this would be a fun job. But maybe that is because I am a bitter, bitter old woman. I think that saying "tragically unasked" is perhaps a wee bit melodramatic. I also think it would be possible to interview someone in the same line of work that would give you more details. More interviews please.

Nov 19 03 - 10:36am
EGM

LOL it would never work on me ... I am not attracted to beautiful women!

Nov 19 03 - 7:58pm
yha

Very interesting topic, interesting interview, but Wilner sounds more "Teen People" (or some other teen mag) than Professional Adult Journalist. Funny, spirited, fresh and young are all good, but not SOUNDING intelligent ("like...", unimaginative phrases such as "fucking" or "having sex") gets tiresome for readers like myself.

Nov 19 03 - 9:29pm

this has to be the most idiotic and decandent thing I've ever heard...society has crumbled and is now stinking up the place with its rot.

Nov 20 03 - 2:15pm
bw

ok. i have to speak about this.
The Law, in ti's infinite wisdom and I do not say in what directions that infinity extends, has laid certain restraints on police entrapment.
Clearly if you set out to make criminals out of those who wil surcumb to adaquate temptation you can overfill the jails. Most of us are not criminals, because we weren't offered enough under the right circumstances.
SO.........it's quite possible that the women seeking entrapment are really rainning on their own parade.

Nov 21 03 - 1:34pm
suck

what a nightmarish interview. this could've been interesting if the questions were decent but instead ms. wilner returns repeatedly to the sex issue, what, 'coz it's funny? she's lucky that the interviewee probably recognized the writers' infantility enough to even bother finishing the interview.

how could this have been more interesting, you ask? well how about finding out how much they charge? where does one find such an agency? what income bracket are most of the clients come from? what about the confrontation of the woman choosing the woman who is going to seduce her husband? i mean, that's like a novel right there.

editors, where are you???

Nov 24 03 - 5:41pm
TJ

Carrie is starting to get on my nerves. I liked it better when I liked her.

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