Image Of The Day: Law Degree For Sale

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For anyone who's even considered law school, this offer should be unbelievably alluring: avoid three years of work and get a $40,000 discount? That's like the best deal ever! And yet, I'm not even tempted. Not even a little bit. This guy must be a seriously crappy lawyer.

Commentarium (9 Comments)

Mar 01 10 - 11:25am
J

I worked for some law firms as a librarian and legal assistant for a while after college (I was a psychology major). And nothing, no nothing was so effective at convincing me to abort any vague plans I had of going to law school.

Two species in particular:

1.) The Senior Partner: Might be in some sense politically liberal, but yet cleaves to pretty much every stereotype of the WASP Republican you care to put out there: Always about 3 yards around the waist, jowly as Jabba, smokes cigars (really: cigars), a helmet-like 1980s haircut like Blagojevich, and always has a much, MUCH more profitable side business as a property manager, title agent, etc.

2.) The Law Student/Intern/Legal Fellow: Young and chipper, always an English major as an undergrad, with a weird combination of fatal naivette and sweaty, brittle desperation behind their eyes. Even in their 3rd year, seem coquettish and sophmoric, a bit like a 13-year-old who tomorrow will be asked to pilot a 757 and who has incurred $120,000 in debt thinking they would be adequately prepared to do so but have not been.

So yeah, the Legal Profession: Nothing Could Be Worth It.

Mar 01 10 - 11:27am
Dan

Yeah, those that make it in the law are workaholic geniuses (or brilliant marketers). Most people aren't cut out for it.

Mar 01 10 - 12:47pm
SR

Feel the same way about my MBA.

Mar 01 10 - 1:06pm
honeybee

nah. he is not a seriously crappy lawyer. he's like any other lawyer who has practiced law for a significant amount of time. you come to a road where you have to decide: 1) resign to the fact that you'll be miserable being someone or some entity's mouthpiece, doing shit you dont believe in, processing a lot of bulsshit paperwork, never having time to spend the $ you've earned (which if you do that math, for a salaried attorney and the hours expected of you to "bill" it comes out to about as equivalent as that dood who graduated with his GED posting ad's on CL to provide guitar lessons and you resign to this horrid existence for the money, prestige, or that nice frame they put the ivy league paper in and mount on the wall and smoke a fucking cigar and continue to build the tire around your waist so you can die of a heart attack at 55 or suicide at 56. OR 2) You acknowledge this life of solitude and being nothing more than therapist for fucked up rich people who try to fuck up other rich people b/c they probably fucked up some unknown rich 3rd party or his wife or boyfriend (that's not a sexist comment, men in the job buy their trophy wives, but women keep boyfriends b/c men cant seem to live w/ the fact that she has to work 80 fucking billing hours per week just to not get canned next round and pay for the house) and say to yourself, FUCK IT. i do not want it and you walk away, scot free. i vote for the latter. i did it. i've never felt so free in my life.

Mar 01 10 - 1:11pm
honeybee

addendum: POOR but free. sure i miss the money but i dont miss the SHIT STORM that was my life. with all those little stupid man-boys running around kissing so much partner ass that you think they've climbed right into their bungholes and stayed there for the warmth. i dont miss that when i ask them 'what's the view like from the inside," they think i'm flattering them.
seriously dood, if you hate it, you have to leave it. it doesnt matter whether you flip burger for a month, travel for half a year, go stay w your parents for 3 months. REALLY, the shortterm feeling of failure will pass, lifelong feeling of desperation and misery will not go away unless you do something about it.

Mar 01 10 - 1:20pm
JV

At its core, legal practice is about helping a client avoid, manage or end conflict - all the while conscious of more-or-less written down rules. If that appeals to you, you can be happy being a lawyer. But in my experience, the happiest lawyers are the ones who manage to be busy but still have enough time to do what they like. Many of my happy lawyer friends are government attorneys, and I think they're happy because in most cases a government employer can't compel you to work 60+ hours per week. A government lawyer gets paid just so-so, but that's kinda the deal isn't it? I think in most professions or jobs, six-figure salaries aren't paid because you're a master of the-most-efficient-or-smartest-40-hour-week - they're paid because you're always working overtime, or because even when you're not working, you're expected to be on a short leash. My friends who are happy working for private firms are typically the people who really get off on having (even if they aren't using) toys and ridiculous financial security. Most of my private-firm friends aren't happy.

Mar 01 10 - 1:23pm
JV

I should have said "avoid, manage, START or end conflict."

Mar 01 10 - 3:03pm
ProfRobert

The idea that a specific career is objectively right or wrong for everyone is ridiculous. I'm very happy being a lawyer, and I'd be miserable as a fiction writer. I worked full time at a big firm for six years and mostly enjoyed it. When the hours started to grind me down, I became a professor and practiced part time. I went in house for a period and am now back in private practice at a small litigation boutique and teach law as an adjunct. I really like my life. My billing rate is sufficient that if I work half time, I can easily support my wife and son, and maintain the beautiful house in which we live. The people who HATE HATE HATE legal practice are usually the ones who went to law school for the wrong reasons -- liberal arts majors with no marketable skills, avoiding the real world for another three years, "you can do anything with a law degree" (true, but you can do anything without one, too, except practice law, so if you're not going to, why waste your time?), my parents want me to, I can't do math so I can't be a doctor or MBA, etc. The only reason to go to law school is because you want to do the kinds of things lawyers do.

Some of what I enjoy about being a lawyer: storytelling -- litigation is about crafting your client's story and presenting it; writing -- I really make my living writing essays; travel -- my practice has taken me to Europe, South American, the Middle East and of course around the U.S.; performance art -- oral argument, teaching in a classroom, it's all theater; helping people -- "ooh, how can you represent mean old corporations?" Easy. Corporations are filled with people. They have problems. I help them to solve their problems. Colleagues -- I've liked most of the people I've worked with and even a number I've worked against. On average, lawyers, I find, think and express themselves more clearly than non-lawyers, making them more interesting to talk with. There's no reason the guy trying to sell his Ivy League degree couldn't have had the same experience I did, if that's what he really wanted.

Mar 01 10 - 8:37pm
eurrapanzy

This story is making the legal tabloids as well, naturally. I (and many other young associates) completely agree with the guy. I'm in law because I'm capable, not because I'm great or enamored of the experience. If I could (in the current economy) find something that paid a third what I make now but let me laugh, I would do that. My degree opened a few doors for me that wouldn't have been available with just my engineering degree, but mostly seems like a failed experiment. I think this is just a more extreme example of that sentiment. I wish him well.

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