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he right dinner party can change your life. Susan Kaplan went to one in 1996 where she encountered a couple of guys she knew from her childhood, along with their . . . wife. Samantha, Sam and Steven, then in their early-to-late twenties, considered themselves to be as married as any traditional couple. They shared a massage business, household chores and a bed, where they had sex as a group or in any of the three possible twosomes.
Kaplan asked the trio if she could film their daily life as they tried to have a child. She wound up sticking with them through two kids and eight years, at which point things got messy. (To say more would be to ruin the who's going to bail? suspense.)
The result is Three of Hearts, a film that's New Age-y at times (you could build a drinking game around how many times someone says, somberly, "in the relationship . . .") but ultimately fascinating. It's rare enough to get an inside look at a couple that stays together for thirteen years, let alone a triple.
Nerve spoke with filmmaker Susan Kaplan by phone as she sat in a friend's car in the rain outside a Tribeca restaurant, where she'd been meeting about her next project: ironically enough, about a nuclear facility. — Ada Calhoun
How did you meet your subjects?
A mutual friend told me that she was having dinner with these three folks and, as it turned out, I knew the two guys from school. I had very warm feelings for them. My friend told me about the relationship, and it was very intriguing, as you can imagine. I spent an evening with them and, by the end, I was struck by just how natural they were and how they felt like any other couple that I'd spent time with, but they were a triple. At the end of the evening I asked if they would ever consider letting cameras into their lives, when they decide to have children, and they all said, "No, we don't want to exploit out relationship." They didn't really know me that well. Samantha actually went home that night and said, "The nerve of that woman asking about our story! It's our story — we're going to tell it." In some ways that's exactly what's happened.
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You followed them on and off for eight years.
I never went in thinking I would spend that long with them. In fact, I always thought I'd stop after their child turned a year old. After I was filming and almost finished with the first version of it, the relationship shifted and I just couldn't send the story out into the world in the way that it was. So I committed to another three years. I needed to show that they were going on with their lives. I know people find the end depressing, but through their therapy and their personal journeys, they come to understand themselves in a way that they didn't so many years back.
But therapy's what really screwed things up. They were fine until they started on their "personal journeys."
Exactly, and for me the film's major theme is self-discovery. Once Sammy decided to get into therapy, the three of them were so tightly woven together that each of them felt obligated to go into therapy as well. And there are complications that take place when you bring children into the world and you're growing a business and you live and work together.
It's ironic that as they got in touch with themselves, the relationship was in trouble.
Right. In order for that relationship to work as a threesome, they had to give up a part of themselves. And that's why their relationship seems so wonderful. In the beginning, it was hard to get to their conflict because they weren't willing to go there themselves.
You don't actually film the most tumultuous period of the relationship. It's just dealt with as a "two years later" flash-forward. Why?
I was finishing the film! I wish I had those years back. I think it was like a year and a half. But I was in touch with them and I knew that they were starting triple counseling. When it became obvious that the therapy wasn't going to work, I had to continue. I had to go back and restructure the film.
It was interesting to see how society is not at all set up to handle a three-way marriage. You can't have two dads on the birth certificate, for example. Was that part of the problem?
Well, they live in New York City and they very much created a very particular kind of world for themselves, of acceptance. I do think it was enormously stressful for them not to be able to have the two dads on the birth certificate. The day we started filming in August of '96, I came home at two or three in the morning and my boyfriend at the time, who became my husband, said to me "Susan, this is going to be a very political film, because you're filming on the day that the Marriage Defense Act was passed," which defines marriage as one man and one woman. And as we premiered in Toronto, the whole issue was exploding in San Francisco and Massachusetts and around the country. So even though our film is not overtly political, it does have political overtones.
Do you think three-way marriage is a viable relationship option?
Well, I can say that the three of them never thought they were making some sort of political statement with their lives. They never advocated. They had never met any other threesomes. Sam says it's not something that he ever thought was so strange, because he had worked it out psychologically that he needed a woman and a man. I think it's enormously complicated, and for some young person . . . I would definitely hope that people would steer away from that kind of relationship, just because it's complicated. But people have to make the choices they make and learn their own lessons.
Should it be legal?
Oh, God! I'm absolutely not advocating that three-way marriage be legal. I felt that by showing an intimate portrait of the three of them and the choices that they made would push the boundaries of what family is. But I'm not advocating that the answer should be legalized marriage for threesomes, foursomes. I just meant to say that the idea of family has changed and is changing.
You got married while you were filming. Did making this film affect decisions you made about marriage and family?
I was single when I started the project. From 1996 to 2005, in the course of making this film, I met the man I married and we had two children. As I gained life experience, I understood their story so much differently; we were all kind of growing together.
Did you and your husband compare your marriage to theirs?
In the beginning, my husband and I loved spending time with the three of them separately, but as a threesome they were enormously captivating. We all became very close. David — who is actually our executive producer and the mediator in the film — and I would spend a lot of time talking about how we learned from them, because here they were, making a three-way relationship work for so many years. Most two-person relationships don't last that long. So in the beginning we spent a lot of time talking about what you have to give up to serve the relationship. We saw that, in fact, too much was given up to make that particular relationship work. But I think everyone believed, and I hope people who watch the movie believe, that they were a family. They're still very much involved with their children, raising them and caring for them.
I don't want to give away the ending, but it was a little disappointing that later in the film the bisexual male characters essentially say they really prefer men. It's the ultimate cliché.
It's funny, because I often see reviews where they're saying, "Two gay men marry a straight woman." They were two bisexual men. I had this conversation with Steven last night about this issue of bisexuality. Not being a bisexual woman, I wasn't aware of the feeling in the gay community that bisexuality doesn't really exist. And Steven said that he very much could sleep with a woman and has enjoyed sleeping with a woman, but he prefers men. In the relationship, he was very much a partner with Sam and Samantha. Why do you think people don't trust bisexual men?
I think when people think about bi women they see a pillowfight, and when they think about bi men they see anal sex and danger.
But danger to whom? It's not an issue for straight males — at least the men I know. It seems to be an issue within the gay community.
Bi men can pass more easily as straight, so I think some gay men resent them for not having to fight the daily fight that gay men fight.
I think it's very brave of Sam and Steven to have embraced their bisexuality and their preference for men.
Was anything left out of the film that you miss?
There was so much more about Sam's life. I'm hoping that can be on the DVD. I interviewed his father in the penitentiary. It was really fascinating. He's in denial. He doesn't understand that he's a criminal. He looks at himself as a really great father. He's so proud of his kids. Sammy had to overcome so much, not only being a gay man but being a gay son of a mafia hit man, and Catholic. It was just a triple whammy.
The therapy trifecta. So how are the kids these days?
They're very aware of their uniqueness. Siena [the trio's oldest daughter] is eight or nine. The issue came up recently and she told Samantha, "I know, mommy. I have a very unique family." n°








Commentarium (6 Comments)
I know the three-some. In my opinion the reason this relationship worked is that each of them is a wonderful person, bright, funny, insightful and giving. The movie not only explores the functioning of this relationship, but how wonderful people can be partners, lovers and parents in any kind of marriage relationship. Sort of a formula for success...and a primer on how to avoid failure.I saw the movie in Toronto and loved it. Kaplan did a supurb job getting us to think about marriage.
Maybe it's because i'm Canadian (and a bisexual woman) but i don't understand the filmmaker's horror at the idea that she might support the legalization of marriage for a triple. I think it's incredibly (and offensively) politically conservative to partake in marriage for herself without defending (or fer cryin' out loud, just supporting the rights to) marriage for a triple. jeezis, no wonder they were hesistant to have her in their lives. She gets her happy hetero love story and they get a filmmaker warning kids off triple relationships because they're "so complicated". we'll see how you feel about that after 13 years of monogamy. bonne chance.
I've been trying to frame an adequate synopsis of my many reactions to this interview. It's not happening. So here are a token two paragraphs of inadequate thoughts.
First, CG is dead on about Ms. Kaplan's apparent hypocrisy with regard to the legalization of multi-partner marriage. The rot at the core of the system is simply that issues of self-determination with regard to the care of one
I tried once to be part of a three-way relationship, with a woman and another man, about 10 years ago.
Although it did look very promising in the beginning (and very funny, indeed) things didn't work out very well, after all.
Slowly but certainly jealousy and social shame creeped in between the three of us until it ended ugly.
I still miss our good times, though, which were really very good...
I disagree with the accusation that Ms. Kaplan's views are hypocritical because she is not "advocating" three-person or multi person relationships. As I read the interview, she is loving toward these three people, and takes pleasure for as long as they took pleasure in the relationship, but she is not "advocating" for it. As she says, despite the success they did have, the threesome themselves do not advocate this kind of complicated relationship for people. Clearly, this movie is not a legal discourse, it's only an attempt to document a particularly complicated and interesting aspect of life. And I enjoyed the work.
I think having a relationship between two or three or more is the business of those people.
If you are a consenting adult and wish to have a relationship with another (or more then one) consenting adult{s}, and this goes outside the norm, the more power to these people who dare to stand up to the moral majority to try and find their truths.
Is our culture so scared of what they see as different that the only choice is to become threatened by it? I think that is why we sometimes try and kill what we don
Now you say something